I dont have any kids but definitely plan on it some day, and when that day comes I will not leave them alone with any of my relatives unless in the most dire of emergencies and I'd make damn sure they already know (no second chances or warnings) that if they talk to them about ANYTHING having to do with their backwards-ass belief system, that will be that and theyll never see them again. Pretty much exactly what Number 6 said; kudos Craig!
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My mother is trying to indoctrinate my 4 year old and I do not know what to do
by jwfacts inmy mother lives a plane trip away from me, so does not get to spend very much time with zac.
however, she is in sydney for 3 weeks and has been babysitting.
i knew that she would be talking about jehovah, but was very annoyed yesterday when zac said my mother was speaking all day about jehovah, such as how he made the stars.. in the past, i was not overly concerned if zac learnt about jehovah's witnesses, as i thought it would help with critical thinking skills to understand different points of view.
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LOVE THOSE STATISTICS!
by clarity inlove these stats from jwfacts /jehovah's witnesess.
"this is one of the most telling graphs, showing that the number of people leaving has tripled from the rate in the early 1990's.
for the 10 years from 1986 to 1995 the rate was an average of 12%; for the 10 years from 1996 to 2005 it had risen to 41%.".
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theBGB
That makes me feel good....like the end is comming or something. Oh hey...I finally get it.
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Finally, a simple cure for depression
by rebel8 inhow to good-bye depression: if you constrict anus 100 times everyday.
malarkey?
or effective way?.
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theBGB
Bahahahaha! Good work, rebel8, good work. :P
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Some Interesting Numbers to Compare With 20,000 Baptisms Each Month
by LostGeneration inblondie's comments on the wt this last sunday brought this to my attention.
the b0rg brags that 20,000 get dunked each month.
compare that to the following numbers from this site: http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/greatc.html#birdatrate.
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theBGB
Yeah, I figured the ONLY way WT would give those numbers out to the public was if the convert rate was over 50% (more than the born ins) and that will never happen.
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Some Interesting Numbers to Compare With 20,000 Baptisms Each Month
by LostGeneration inblondie's comments on the wt this last sunday brought this to my attention.
the b0rg brags that 20,000 get dunked each month.
compare that to the following numbers from this site: http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/greatc.html#birdatrate.
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theBGB
Is there any way to find out the percent of baptised that are born-ins? That would be the real test considering for the most part they dont actually have a choice in the matter...just going through the motions so their families wont disown them.
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An email sent to me- we are reallly close to the end
by Sour Grapes insubject: short illustration regarding the "cowbird"hello, we recently dedicated our remodeled kingdom hall here in los angeles , and our guest speaker was bro.
javier hernandez from brooklyn bethel.
bro.
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theBGB
I can't believe 'believers' still try posting their crap here...it would take a VERY special person to read all the FACTS refuting the WTBS b.s. here then read a post like the OPs and think 'My god they're right! I was almost fooled by these apostates! Darn you Satan you almost had me there...'
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-06-2012 WT Study (AWAKE)
by blondie inopening comments.
those who sleep spiritually may be very busy.
13 ministers who are awake and alert.
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theBGB
Thanks Blondie for the well-written and informative post, I'm new round these parts so I dont know if this is a semi-regular thing but I'd love to read more WT articles debunked...I haven't picked up a WT or Awake since I was basically physically forced to (probably around age 15 or so, Im 28 now), but i remember pointing out the hypocrisies to myself in my head (out load would just be asking for more abuse), but of course I didnt care enough actually do any research on any of it...that would mean 'sacrificing' more of my time to the b.s. But now as a University student I really appreciate the research you put into it and the obvious hypocrisies it reveals.
And as for what Zid said earlier about the negative-positive speach thing, I almost forgot about that little 'trick'. I've alwasy been good at English and grammar studies and whatnot, and I have always absolutely HATED when anyone uses the word 'not' when presenting a question, rhetorical or otherwise. "Did jesus not tell us blablabla" ....well if he did NOT tell us that then why are we saying he did...and if he he DID tell us that, then NO he did not NOT tell that thing he just told us. I remember vividly on more then one occasion my father asking me "Did I not tell you ___" and of course he did tell me ___ so the only truthful answer I could give was 'No, you didn't NOT tell me ____' this was well before I knew what sarcasm was and I was just trying my hardest NOT to lie, but, you guessed it....'that's a paddlin'.
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Introduction / My story
by theBGB inhello all, i've just discovered this site and i cant begin to describe how happy i am to have come across it.
i stumbled across this site purely by accident...seriously i was looking at arkham city walkthoughs and a few jumps later i end up here.
i though it was a legit society page at first and thought 'what the hell, this will be good for a laugh', but after reading a few posts well...i couldnt stop reading.
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Oh, and how can I go back and edit posts? It pisses me off to no end seeing spelling and gramatic errors in my own writing.
(obviously in my last post I meant to say "a well behaved young man in the truth could -never- act in such a way")
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Introduction / My story
by theBGB inhello all, i've just discovered this site and i cant begin to describe how happy i am to have come across it.
i stumbled across this site purely by accident...seriously i was looking at arkham city walkthoughs and a few jumps later i end up here.
i though it was a legit society page at first and thought 'what the hell, this will be good for a laugh', but after reading a few posts well...i couldnt stop reading.
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Wow it's been less than 12 hours since I posted and I have over a dozen responses already, thank you all for the warm welcome and for making me feel right at home.
@Chariklo: lol! SO CLOSE!!! You're first in my book bro. Also looking back yeah, that's obviously a sign of sexual abuse in children...I'd wished I'd known back then so I could tell someone, but by that point I'd already learned that my parents would completely ignore any issues I'd have with people in the cong and that most likely they'd flat out call me a liar and think that a "well-behaved" young man of the truth could ever do such a thing...and a nother abuse victim remains ignored.
@thecrushed: I know how rare it is for someone to not only realize the real truth about'the truth' let alone be able to get out with no regrets as young as I did, which is why I consider myself lucky (and literally the only way I think of myself as being lucky through being raised the way i was) And I love the SW references! I've always loved the SW movies and since SW:TOR came out I've been getting into the history and mythos more and more, reading the novels... SW actually helped me realize the hypocrisy of the cult pretty early on...I loved anything fasntasy based (LOTR, Forgotten Realms novels, D&D) which of course was seen as satanic, but a lot of 'brothers' I knew also loved SW, so when I asked why they were allowed to watch and enjoy SW while Jedi used 'supernatural' powers when they use the force, they tried to rationalize that it would be the equivalent of using 'God's holy spirit' LOL yeah right, they wished!!!! Further hypocrasy was revealed when I tried to compare to 'magic' in some fantasy as being explained EXACTLY how the force is explained in SW (A force of life that connects us all and flows through every living thing that only a few special one could learn how to manipulate) I probably got a decent beating for that one, but the end relization was the force was acceptable because it isnt referred to as 'magic' while anything that was reffered to as 'magic' was unavoidably undoubtably EVIL SATANIC MACHINATIONS CREATED TO STUMBLE THE FAITHFUL blablabla.
@Open mind: BGB is just a silly acronym i made for gaming back in the day and just kind of stuck, and has taken off to be a representation of myself more then any words originally used to make it. As far as anyone here is concerned theBGB stands for: Jordan (my name).
Pleased to meat you all.
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Introduction / My story
by theBGB inhello all, i've just discovered this site and i cant begin to describe how happy i am to have come across it.
i stumbled across this site purely by accident...seriously i was looking at arkham city walkthoughs and a few jumps later i end up here.
i though it was a legit society page at first and thought 'what the hell, this will be good for a laugh', but after reading a few posts well...i couldnt stop reading.
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Hello all, I've just discovered this site and I cant begin to describe how happy I am to have come across it. I stumbled across this site purely by accident...seriously I was looking at Arkham City walkthoughs and a few jumps later I end up here. I though it was a legit society page at first and thought 'what the hell, this will be good for a laugh', but after reading a few posts well...I couldnt stop reading. I've never, not once in my life been able to talk to anybody whose had the same experiences as me growing up in a JW home. Now THAT's providence if there ever was such a thing. I'd like to share my story, so sit back and get cozy this may take a while...I'm an English lit major so I tend to be thourough.
I'll start off by saying I am one of the lucky few who were able to easily (and without ANY doubts or regrets) distance myself from this cult.
I was a born-in, my mother's family are all life-long devouts (I think my grandmother was born in and my gfather converted but not certain about that) and my father was converted in his late teens, none of the rest of his family were which I guess is why we hardly ever visited any of them growing up. I'm proud to say that I realized at a very early age that that this 'religion' is complete b.s. and that I would never willingly choose to get baptised. I always had a problem with the ideas they present...I was only 6 or 7 when my family had a friend who was, purportedly, an annointed one. I remember asking my parents how can we tell if someone is annointed? The general answer was something like 'those who are just have a feeling at some point and then they just know.' I wanted to know what the 'feeling' felt like and they said that only the annointed will ever know, and that the annointed will be the only ones to ever experience it. Even at such a young age this sounded sketchy...the highest possible reward to this lifestyle is handed out based on an indescribable 'feeling'? The same Woman (I prefer not to call them 'brothers and sisters') had custody and was raising her grandchild (her daughter was never talked about...now i suspect she was a junkie) and this kid...was the most vindictive, crazy-ass, spoiled brat, pathetic excuse for a human being I ever remember meeting, he was just a bad, bad person well before even puberty. He actually tried to get me to perform oral sex on him during a sleepover one time, he was a few years older then me at the time probably about 10...nothing against gays but any kid being sexualy agressive that young is crazy.
I guess Crazy breeds Crazy.
Obviously, that's always stuck with me. A few years later and i began to develop cognitave and dedutive reasoning on my own (much to my parents' chrgrin), I began to realise the absurdity of the whole 'prize at the end of the tunnel' scheme: So we have to deny ourselves practically every pleasure on earth live a sh**y depressing joyless life wasting the entirety of it sitting for hours multiple times a week, every week, listening to old guys preach (but dont call it preaching) to either obey them or die! Those who do obey them, TO THE F*ING LETTER, will either be resurected, or live to see litterally every other person whose ever lived resurected -EXCEPT- anyone who'se heard their shpeel and turned it down ...those unlucky fools will either remain dead -or- be hunted down by four scary-ass horse-riding psycho angles of death (you remember the pictures of the 4 horsemen in thier lit, often including terrified people running and crying and dieing...). Honestly it was the whole "everyone who has died before this religion was invented gets a free-pass" resurection clause that really got to me as being just absolutely, irrefeutably, absurd. Hell...even if this crap DID happen (lol) I didn't want to obey any 'god' that would kill millions of people deemed evil because they didnt believe thise outlandish b.s. while simultaneouly giving a free-pass to every child-molester, mass murderer evil piece of excrement to have lived before the year 18wtvr (I had a pretty evolved sense of principal for a 10 yr old). And besides...I'd much rather live a guaranteed enjoyable (at least at times) life -this one...right now...that I can scientifically prove I exist in- than live forever...*FOREVER* under rules that wouldn't even allow me to pleasure my wife in bed (though of course that wasn't an issue I was aware of at the time). The term and sense of 'forever' always bothered me from as far back as I can remember; how can god have lived -forever- and then all of a sudden create the universe and then time started....then when we get resurected we'll live -forever-??? And for as long as I can remember the excuse in response to that being: "Human minds are not capable of understanding gods blahblahblah" has just made me mad...seriously you're trying to tell ME what -I- can or can not understand? I dont't think so buddy. I understood...they were either lying or they were to stupid to realize they were lying. I apologize for insinuating anyone on this forum is or was stupid, but if you were a JW and have realized the falshood of 'the truth' then I'm sure you've called yourself much worse.
Around the age of 12 I was fully aware that this was all b.s. I would absolutely never agree to be baptised. The few times my parents tried to make actually speak while in service all went horribly, even from the earliest attempts, so thankfully they never had any expectation of me to actually speak in service so I never had to feel like i was flat-out lying to people trying to convince them to join this 'religion' that has made my life completely joyless. My horrible home life (more on that later) led to my mother finally working up the courage to leave my father when I was almost 15. My mother is by far the strongest person I know, knowing full well she'd be DF'd she refused to remain miserable for the rest of her life and stay married to an asshole who constantly acted like he full-on resented us. The aftermath of that is well-known to most on this forum, almost every friends she'd ever had treated her like she was dead to them...even her own family stopped talking to her. Her own mother and father and all 7 of her flesh and blood brothers and sisters wouldn't even talk to her. Her family...MY family treated my mom like a piece of crap because she didnt want to be miserable any more. My mother is one of the nicest, most loving people I've ever had the pleasure of being in my life. This was the last straw, I could never associate myself with anything that would ecourage an entire family to just drop one of their members. My mom knew that I could look after my self by that point and my sister who is a few years older was almost finished school, and considering she pretty much had to pack a suitcase and leave my sis and I remained with our dad. In the next year, by the time I was 16, it got to the point where I had used so many excuses to not go to meetings or in service (I had those tuesday-thursday-sunday migranes) that my dad began to actually ASK me if I was coming to the meeting or not. The first time this happen was incredibly surreal, I thought for sure it was some kind of trick, I answered "Uh....no?" I was sure that was going to storm up the stairs and push me around untill i subdued... but he actually just left and left me alone. After that I think i agreed to go once or twice in the next few weeks, the elders and others made it a point to come over to me and say how much they've missed me and are glad to see me. All I could think was "If my mom was here you'd be restraining yourself from spitting in her face." And that was that, I never stepped foot in a KH again and never will. I've also never talked to any of my relatives who shund my mother unless I absolutely had to.
Now I'm 28, working my way through a double major in English Lit and Forest Conservation at the University of Toronto. I am thankful everyday that I was special enough to never fall for the lies of the 'truth' epecially as a born-in. I plan to share a lot more of my life here in the future and if anybody's actually read through this to the end then I can truly say without any hesitation or hyperbole, that I love you. More than any JW has loved another JW just for being a JW.
p.s. I'm not to shy and have no shame in any of my family finding out I have nothing but contempt for this organization. As I go on it wont be hard to figure out who my family is if you know them...and if one of my relatives on my moms side sees this, then go **** yourself you blackhearted piece of ****, chances are you'd never talk to me of you free will anyway. If my sister or father sees this (I wouldn't be suprised if he was one of the spooks assigned to monitor the apostate websites lol) im sorry if this truth hurts you, but it's coming out.
Till next time,
=) peace and love!