Posts by apostatethunder

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Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?

by biometrics in

while growing up as a jw this was a question i often wondered about: did jesus ever call his heavenly father by the name jehovah?

and if he did, why wasn't it recorded.. i know there's plenty of references such as john 17:6, 26 where it says "i have made your name manifest to the men ...".

however is there anywhere in the bible where jesus used the actual word jehovah?.

What do you think would happen if a SISTER shaved her head?

by keep in

to donate all her hair to cancer?

discuss..

It would just show that her “head” was ashamed of her speaking. Interestingly Paul mentions also that Jesus is the head of the head, and God is the head of Jesus, and they both didn’t seem to have any problems in hearing women speaking. In ancient Israel God used women as prophetises and judges and Jesus always treated women as equals, even non-Israelite ones. If a husband feels threatened by his wife speaking, it may be a sign that they are not a good match for each other.

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How Do You Deal With The Shunning You Receive From "Captive" Witnesses?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

i am liking don's term "captive to a concept" more and more, it explains so much about the mindset of average dubs.. to those who are being activily shunned, how does it affect you when you see former friends and family, do the sideway's crab-walk to get away?

you are not alone, shunning is happening to weaker witnesses in the congregations, this practice is not sanctioned by the watchtower society, this trait is straight from satan the devil, it pure evil and cruel!

as i post, this new trait is being taught to the power player's apprentices, teaching them how to do the "weak witnesses exit stage left!

apostatethunder

Every time I come across this type of behaviour, I feel even more grateful for not having absolutely anything to do with them anymore. It’s great to be free and they are not.

I’ve come across many elderettes during my time, so much for the fruitages of submissiveness.

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were you ever truly happy as a jw?

by emanresu in

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apostatethunder

As happy as one can be when the decisions in your life and in the lives of those around you are being taken by some self appointed annointed.

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Was Any Part of it Real?

by Big Tex in

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i'm sort of following a stream of consciousness so bear with me.

i was flipping around on tv and ran across an old movie.

a couple had a one night stand and when she realized he had just used her she was shocked and told him he had said he loved her.

apostatethunder

Big Tex, as in the movie, they were real at the time. Saying that, a relationship is between two individuals, if one of the individuals has lost his/her personal identity in deference to a group, you are not dealing with an individual anymore, so it’s the equivalent of you having a personal relationship with an entity through its representatives. It’s real in a sense, but it’s not what human relationships are about. Personally I think that the relationships in the organization are very superficial in general, as there is never the level of trust and openness that is required to have meaningful relationships. They are isolated from each other as their main loyalty will always be to the organization.

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The real truth is that you know you've recovered when you stop caring about JW's

by gubberningbody in

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it's perhaps sad, but perhaps a bit of wisdom to come to realize how insignificant jws really are.. .

you finally get to the point where you don't even care what happens to the borg one way or another.. .

this said after almost four years..

apostatethunder

You know you are recovered when you are the owner of your own life and decisions. For some people this happens when they are still in the organization, some take years to fully recover even after they leave. Everybody should care about cults, they have an effect on the whole of society and the way society evolves.

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UK Anti-Cult charity under threat of closure

by cedars in

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i'm wondering what you all make of this story from the guardian regarding the cult information centre - a uk charity that aims to raise awareness of cults.

it seems that it's on the verge of having its charitable status withdrawn (or, at least, this was the case three months ago).

unsurprisingly, the complaints that have led to its potential closure stem from cults such as the church of scientology.. here is the story:.

apostatethunder

This is very serious. A cult is a group that manipulates and takes advantage of people, an anti-cult is a group that helps people recover from a cult. They have their own beliefs? Sure, so do you and me and everyone else. Do they coerce anyone to accept their beliefs? Do they exploit people’s vulnerabilities for their own gain? Do they respect basic human rights like freedom to dissent? Do they blackmail people that is trapped in to make them disclose their private lives, that they have no right to know much less to judge? Do they harass people that leave the group in any way? If you think about it, it is not so difficult to distinguish one from the other.

If they talk about Jesus and the Trinity is because jws despite calling themselves Christians are anti-Christians. Exposing that doesn’t make you a cult. What someone chooses to believe is his/her personal decision, stepping in someone else’s personal rights is not. Not respecting somebody’s personal conscience goes high on the list of cult traits.

About the therapist that had to stop helping people, that goes beyond cult or not cult, it is just criminal.

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They looks so old and tired.

by jam in

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apostatethunder

It makes them feel better about themselves. If you look happy they seem surprised. One way the society keeps them in is by fear of what is in the world, so they will think twice before leaving the organization. Everybody knows stories of the ones who left and how bad they fared. I noticed that some of them seem envious of the ones with the courage to leave anyway. Deep down they know, even though they are too trapped to even realize why they feel this way.

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Spain may tax the Catholic Church?

by darthfader in

running low on money, the spanish government looks at the catholic church for property tax revenue:.

http://news.yahoo.com/amid-economic-crisis-spain-ponders-taxing-catholic-church-092208656.html.

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apostatethunder

The Catholic church in Spain and Italy is already a big source of income to the State in terms of tourism. They own a big part of the historical patrimony of this countries. That and all the services they provide like schools, charities, etc, and the religious support to individuals, that comes without a blank check for them to run your life as they please. Not all religions are the same.

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Could the JWs fit the defintion of Fascism?

by Aussie Oz in

fascism ( /'f?

?z?m/) is a radicalauthoritariannationalist political ideology.

[1][2] fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitariansingle-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.

apostatethunder

Good question, they are controlling and totalitarian, but what is their real aim? If they are not about religion, what are they about?