theannointed, welcome to this forum. Totally agree with you about keeping track of the people in charge of the organization and their connections. The question is if there is anybody with real interest in getting to the bottom of it.
apostatethunder
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JW, Religion, Cult or Pyramid Scheme?
by theannointed inhello.. here is some thought provoking debate that may help people investigate the true nature of the watch tower society.. this surely should be something that everyone who belongs to the society and any one who plans to convert should do.. i did this myself, after getting involved with a girl who was a fanatical jw and by doing so, i believe that i discovered the true nature of the wt.. but please, do not take my word for it, please do your own research and reading.. this is really important as by signing up or getting baptised as a jw, you are basically surendering your own personal rights to an unknown authority who proclaims to speak for god.
and by doing so you will suffer major negative socio-economic implications on a daily basis due to the restrictions and demands enforced by those involved and in control of the ws.. personally, learning how the watch tower society got started was enough to convince me that the watch tower society is not what it proclaims to be.
my suspicions were compounded after learning more about nathan knors (past president of the watch tower society) involvement with the nazi's in the second world war.. for those out there who do not know how the watch tower society got started, i recommend that you research the main man behind it joseph franklin rutherford, as it was not as many jw's believe, charles taze russel who started the society but russel's lawyer joseph franklin rutherford, a man whom in my opinion was of questionable character, who underhandedly seized power over russel's followers after russel's death.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/watch_tower_society_presidency_dispute_(1917).
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Prelude to a disfellowshipping: An open letter.
by rory-ks inan open letter to the body of elders, .
sudbury (suffolk) congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. .
on wednesday, april 4, 2012, the decision will be carried out to announce to the congregation that, rory sullivan is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.. .
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apostatethunder
Hi Rory, thanks for posting this letter, I hope things have worked out well for you.
Regarding them, it is like talking to a wall, no amount of reasoning will change them, they are moved by other interests, also they are not free themselves. But while the majority of the r&f doesn’t have access to this type of injustices that go on behind the scenes, the elders know better, and either they have no respect for God and are just hypocrites, or this is just another proof of the damage this organization does to otherwise good people.
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JWs and Neutrality
by Vidqun injws have always had a problem with neutrality:.
1) during ww i they encouraged via the magazines to buy war bonds, i.e., liberty bonds, as it was then known, thus actively supporting the war effort (search, under "war bonds").. 2) during ww ii, the australian branch also invested heavily in war bonds in order for the ban to be lifted.
after the war, they had to repent, before jehovah could bless their efforts again.. 3) more recently the wts has invested in companies with defense contracts.. 4) membership of the un as ngo (1992-2001).
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apostatethunder
I vote as I consider it not only a right but an obligation as a citizen. If you don’t vote you let others decide for you. That’s what the witnesses are brainwashed to do in every aspect of their lives.
I think they are everything but neutral, but what they support I don't know. Saying that nobody is truly neutral. Being neutral in the midst of an injustice is the equivalent of condoning it.
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Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery
by wasblind inin the past i've compared the wts to slavery, but this book validates what i've come to know about this organization.. .
'cuz slavery ain't sweet, no matter how faithful and discreet.
jesus states: "....the truth will set you free.
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apostatethunder
There are different forms of slavery. Enslaving somebody’s mind is definitely slavery. It doesn’t need to be religion, it can be politically or ideologically, as in 1984, or in any totalitarian regime, through stern social and media control.
The WT does enslave people mentally, otherwise they would have no followers.
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Elders Can Hide their Own Sins from the Past-Yet Continue as Elders? Read
by flipper ini was shocked ( though i probably shouldn't have been ) when reading the new elders manual concerning whether elders have to confess up about former sins from a few years earlier.
notice this on pg.
38 , paragraph 19 : it states, " if it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past : the body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true : the immorality or other serious wrongdoing occured more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.
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They behave like a bunch of pimps. If anything the elders should have a higher standard than the rest of the sheep. This elder’s book is an ass****’s manual.
I know people that have been reproved for things that happened many years earlier, and also lost their privileges for something the elders had no business in.
This is just one example of how they abuse the people from the r&f. They are desperate for brothers to take the lead in the congregations, so they are far more valuable than a simple sheep. An unmistakable mark of the holy spirit.
The whole point of the disciplinary process is to ashame the person and make sure they will think twice before “sinning” ever again. Of course elders go by different rules, we can only imagine what the people really high up in the organization go by.
I agree with you longhair gal, they tend to be more strict with women that step out of line, it’s like a form of sadism I guess, a power trip. Exactly what Jesus would have done. And this elders are the ones meddling in the private lives of others in the congregation while nobody knows what they are hiding themselves. It is repugnant. They are revolting and deserve to be behind bars.
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Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery
by wasblind inin the past i've compared the wts to slavery, but this book validates what i've come to know about this organization.. .
'cuz slavery ain't sweet, no matter how faithful and discreet.
jesus states: "....the truth will set you free.
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apostatethunder
Slavery still exist today, and those who approve of it should try their own medicine.
Jesus did condemned slavery, he said love your neighbour as yourself. Unless you would like to be a slave yourself, you shouldn’t own any.
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reading Crisis of Conscience
by d ini have started to read crisis of consicence.
it is mindblowing and upsetting because of the lies i believed..
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apostatethunder
I felt very sorry for Ray Franz when I read it. I was already out, but I will always be grateful to him for writing this book.
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Have you ever seen an article talking about...
by Diest inhow a spouse could get an obstinate unbeliever to leave the marriage?
i read someone talking about it on another board and i dont have a cd-rom to look it up.
it was supposed to have come been in an older publication and listed many tactics for how to get them to leave the marriage.
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apostatethunder
I doubt they would write it down, but they seem to be specialist on ending a marriage and blaming the other part. I know of too many cases, specially of elders and men with responsibilities that were not treating their wives very well and then, when the wives leave them or the organization, they appear to be the innocent ones and marry another sister. Clever.
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Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?
by biometrics inwhile growing up as a jw this was a question i often wondered about: did jesus ever call his heavenly father by the name jehovah?
and if he did, why wasn't it recorded.. i know there's plenty of references such as john 17:6, 26 where it says "i have made your name manifest to the men ...".
however is there anywhere in the bible where jesus used the actual word jehovah?.
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apostatethunder
He usually called Him Father.
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What do you think would happen if a SISTER shaved her head?
by keep into donate all her hair to cancer?
discuss..
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apostatethunder
It would just show that her “head” was ashamed of her speaking. Interestingly Paul mentions also that Jesus is the head of the head, and God is the head of Jesus, and they both didn’t seem to have any problems in hearing women speaking. In ancient Israel God used women as prophetises and judges and Jesus always treated women as equals, even non-Israelite ones. If a husband feels threatened by his wife speaking, it may be a sign that they are not a good match for each other.