Posts by apostatethunder

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Paradise or Oblivion

by Fernando in

from youtube:.

this video presentation advocates a new socio-economic system, which is updated to present-day knowledge, featuring the life-long work of social engineer, futurist, inventor and industrial designer jacque fresco, which he calls a resource-based economy.

this documentary details the root causes of the systemic value disorders and detrimental symptoms caused by our current established system.

apostatethunder

Losthobbit, I really wish that a more just type of world were possible, I am still reading through all the links.

I also prefer to work in something that matters than just working for the money but I recognize not everybody thinks like that. The biggest obstacle I see for a better world to be possible is that not everybody wants it, some are quite content as it is, and others want it, but their concept of justice is not necessarily what others consider just.

I will post again when I have gone through all the material. Thanks for the links.

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Greetings from Candace Conti

by AndersonsInfo in

candace asked me to tell you thank you for all your kind expressions of support.

this really means a lot to her.

she wants you to know that she is coping well with all the stress and excitement, even though she's had years of anger and frustration because of being abused for so long, first by the molester, and then by the wt.

apostatethunder

Dear Candace, I wish you all the very best in your life, you were very brave to fight against this disgusting cult, and I really admire you.

A big thank you. You have all my support and love.

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Excellent news article re Candace Conti's abuse, not for the sensitive or tender-hearted

by yesidid in

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/06/15/bauq1p2ph2.dtl.

sadly there are details which may make you heave or want to commit violence..

apostatethunder

How dare this lawyer say that he doesn’t know of any other religion that was made liable for the r&f actions? They abhor child abuse but their policies allow for it, and for other abuses. Their main difference with other religions is that they have much more power over the private lives of the r&f, and take it upon themselves the keeping the congregation clean by disciplining sinners.

They have no problem humiliating a person from the platform for marrying a worldly person, or complaining about an injustice, rather than suffering in silence modestly with a submissive attitude to the ass****’s running the congregation, but at the same time they will go to great lengths to cover for each other’s miseries in order to keep their privileges, or as in this case to cover for a paedophile. They are vicariously liable for what this pervert did as they knew he was a paedophile, and they are responsible for other abuses as they have so much control over every aspect of the lives of active witnesses, including very private aspects. And they are very capable of dealing quite harshly with anyone that steps out of line in other issues in which they shouldn’t be sticking their noses into.

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The Fastest Growing Religion in America Is

by Dogpatch in

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the fastest growing religion in america is... .

may 4, 2012 9:11 amcomments (54)author: the american dream.

do you know what the fastest growing religion in america is?

apostatethunder

Is being politically neutral being really apolitical? Would a majority of apolitical people not have a political effect in a society? Is being apolitical really not taking a political stance?

We all have our god, whether is Jehovah, Buda, Ala, money, power, reason….atheists have also their own gods, whatever they choose them to be.

The point I was trying to make is that Christianity is going down in big numbers, and former Christians are now choosing another set of values to live by, call it a religion or a philosophy of life.

Religion shape our values, and the absence of it does also. Even if atheism is not a religion in the literal sense of the word, for me atheism is like a religion because it takes the place religion used to have as people’s motivating factor.

The absence of religion is the philosophy that is growing the fastest in Western countries and as a consequence, societies are now shaped by the different gods different people choose to have, and the values these gods bring with them. That’s what I was trying to say.

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pay or appeal, what will they do?

by pontoon in

of course watchtower lawyer says it's not over yet, we are going to appeal.

thats what they are suppose to say.

but wat is going to want to put this nightmare behind them as fast as they can.

apostatethunder

They will appeal, and maybe even win. If they don’t, it will probably have consequences not only for them but for other religions as well.

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What was the weirdest thing ever said to you as a JW?

by falseprophet in

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i was about 8-10 years old and twice i had people tell me that i should not pioneer but to go to bethel because i "was governing body material".. one was a co and another a do.. i didn't even believe in god, never have so that makes it weird!.

what wierd things were told?.

apostatethunder

My father is an elder and he would discuss cases of the congregation at home with us without mentioning the names, we are not the secret police.

You can actually correct a brother’s comment if you do it discreetly.

The congregation is much better now, a lot of people is gone (to me after I left).

Even if this was not the truth it would still be the best way to live.

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The Fastest Growing Religion in America Is

by Dogpatch in

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friends

the fastest growing religion in america is... .

may 4, 2012 9:11 amcomments (54)author: the american dream.

do you know what the fastest growing religion in america is?

apostatethunder

I think is atheism. Christianity is not only a religion, it is a culture and historical heritage and the foundation of what we know as the Western civilization. Atheism has not produced happier or freer societies or individuals.

This is just my opinion.

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How the WTBTS creates atheists

by Nickolas in

i am an atheist.

i arrived at this juncture in my life despite not wanting to.

when i first met the witnesses at 22 i was a seeker looking for answers to the question of life - in other words, prime cult target material.

apostatethunder

I think the reason why ex-jws tend to become atheists is probably because the WT does such a great job at emptying a person of their spirituality. As humans we all have a spiritual dimension, but spirituality has nothing to do with pioneering, giving comments at the meetings, making many return calls, or humbly accepting any doctrine or policy they promote without questioning it. But this is what spirituality is for them. The WT god is the organization.

They also destroy a person emotionally on different levels, don’t have independent thinking, pride (as in questioning the elders), don’t trust your own heart, follow orders even if you don’t agree (be submissive), etc. So once somebody gets fed up of all this crap and leaves, he will naturally be apprehensive about religion and God.

If you didn’t manage to keep a sense of spirituality apart from all the rubbish they taught you, once you free yourself from them, you will also stop believing in God, as all along you were dealing with a false god, their organization. Nothing to do with true spirituality. It is an evil and destructive cult.

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free. (not enslave you) John 8:32

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Paradise or Oblivion

by Fernando in

from youtube:.

this video presentation advocates a new socio-economic system, which is updated to present-day knowledge, featuring the life-long work of social engineer, futurist, inventor and industrial designer jacque fresco, which he calls a resource-based economy.

this documentary details the root causes of the systemic value disorders and detrimental symptoms caused by our current established system.

apostatethunder

Fernando, to me this sounds a bit like what the WT preaches, an utopia. Some of the technology aspect will probably become true in the future. But the social part of it, is not realistic.

People like to be paid for their job, it’s a question of personal satisfaction, they also like to own their things, even animals want to own their territory.

Science is as good as the men using it, and men are as good as their values. Not all countries are developed to the same level, the same as not all individuals are. Not all individuals have honourable motives. Some just want to take advantage of others. We have a long way to go before we can have a global government that will be good to all. History teach us that governments that have no opposition become tyrannies. Imagine what a global tyranny would be like. What would happen to dissidents? It doesn’t convince me.

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It took me a long time to write this...i'm staying.

by MsGrowingGirl20 in

it took me a long time to write this....i'm being brutally honest...i am still a reg pioneer...three sundays ago,i was praying and asking god for a sign or something because i was so confused...i told him exactly what i needed to see for me to believe.i was feeling terrible--crying and feeling sick because i was so confused.ten minutes after, i walked into the kingdom hall and to my surprise--my prayer was answered!

i soooo wasn't expecting it, even though i prayed.

so this is where almighty god wants me to be,ii've reasoned.

apostatethunder

I am amazed at the capacity this organization has to create a problem in people’s lives and then present themselves as the only solution.

I don’t know what sign you saw that made you decide to stay, but you saw other signs that lead you to this site. Don’t ever forget this other signs.

Don’t waste more time in a cult that tells you what to think and how to live your life. The friends you have at the KH are conditional friends. Your whole life is ahead of you, go to college, make new friends and don’t let others decide for yourself.

Even if your congregation is made up of nice people, ask yourself who is running this organization, and if they treat people as Jesus did or as the Pharisees did. For their fruits you will know them, what are their fruits? They demand total obedience from their followers, you don’t agree with them, you die. In the meantime, they’ll make sure they destroy your reputation and separate you from your friends and family. All this in the name of God.

Please get out, don’t waste your youth supporting the agenda of this people, whatever that is.

You don’t need them to have a relationship with God, Jesus is the only mediator not them.

Also think, why are you preaching? Do you really wish for others to enter into this cult?

Use your life to try and make this world a better place, don’t believe those who say the best way to do this is by keeping separate from the world and doing nothing other than going from door to door trying to convince other people to do the same. They are trying to change things, but for their own benefit, and they rely on your ignorance and inaction to succeed.

Be free and be happy.