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  The Watchtower and the Masons

  by ozziepost in

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  the latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.

  * both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.

  * both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.

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  Were You Ever Comfortable Going From House To House?

  by minimus in

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  because i was raised a witness, i don't think i was "uncomfortable" knocking on strangers' doors.

  (weirdo).. but as i got older, i simply didn't want to bother anyone so i was at there door for no more than 30 seconds.

  at the end i hated being there..

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  I hated every second of it, the gossip, the car groups, the selling of magazines, the having to do return calls when the householder was obviously not interested but was friendly enough to talk to us, etc.

  I was never good at it. My return calls never progressed and I still don’t understand how I managed to have a couple of Bible studies over the years, which I am glad to say never progressed either. They are both doing fine, supporting other religions.

  I wouldn’t be able to forgive myself otherwise.
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  JWs "Encourage" Their Youth To Invest In The Full Time Ministry And Not Go To College so....

  by minimus in

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  if that's the case, ideally, we should all be preachers and never college students or college grads.

  but here's the problem for those that adhere to that viewpoint: jw's should not sponsor anyone that has gone to college.

  if you support such ones, it should be conscientously objectionable.

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  Totally agree with you longhairgal, I remember once we had in the local needs not to put our jobs at the centre of our lives, and to make sure our job wouldn‘t stumble others (my job at the time had some indirect Christian connection). I couldn’t believe my ears during the meeting, as the congregation had many other much bigger problems to address, and on top of that on the way home a sister that didn’t like her job, and that was always broke and owing money to others, was telling me how good the local needs were and how we needed to consider how our job could affect other people‘s consciences, etc.

  I did as if the whole thing had nothing to do with me, and continued enjoying my full-time job with a good conscience. Nobody ever addressed me directly about that.

  She continued owing money to others and soon after had a fallout with another sister because she couldn’t pay her back what she owed, and besides the other sister had two jobs.

  I’ve known many other people, specially young single sisters, having difficulties making ends meet but still wanting to pioneer. And they consider this being spiritual oriented.
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  I wrote a D.A. letter

  by snakeface in

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  i used to be very active int he organization, "high profile" so to speak.

  always taking the gorup out in service, always having parts on the platform etc etc.

  almost 5 years ago, i simply did not show up anymore.

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  If they do this, they are effectively persecuting people that just want to live their lives without submitting to their cult.

  They should try treating people a bit better and probably wouldn’t have to deal with this issue of apostasy. People that want to leave other religions, are not harassed in any way to stay, or pushed to leave, the door is always open if they want to come back (as in the parable of the prodigal son), but they are not put in this with us/against us situation.

  I can only speak for Catholicism, but I know it is true for most of the other mainstream religions, not so for psycho-controlling-cults.
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  I wonder... Who are the top apostates the Watchtower HATES the most?

  by Greybeard in

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  no doubt ray franz is at the top.... paul grundy's web site jwfacts.com helped me the most!

  thanks paul!!!.

  randall watters from freeminds.org has got to be way up there.... who else?

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  If Jesus was alive today, how would they welcome him and his message? How do they dare to call themselves Christians?
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  unanswerable questions

  by outsmartthesystem in

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  hey all...... i have decided to compile a list of questions that jws simply cannot answer without opening up a vulnerability.....such as.

  1) if jesus is only mediator for the 144,000 then who is the mediator for the rest of us?

  2) plasma is one of the four main components of blood and cannot be taken.

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  15.What is the unforgivable sin?
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  Duped By Animal Planet: Mermaids, The Body Found

  by Cold Steel in

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  This documentary proves the point that people can be manipulated to believe almost anything if presented by a bunch of experts (or actors), mermaids being an extreme example.

  Those who control information control the world.

  Mermaids may not exist but we live in Oceania.
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  Do you believe in Love?

  by freeflyingfaerie in

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  maybe you are an atheist.. maybe you are agnostic.. you have left a cult, left behind an entire belief system, complete with detailed instructions on how to live..rules to follow for every aspect of your very life.

  you know it was a big lie.. you are now naked, staring at your soul.

  just you, just your own thoughts, just your own voice, your own feelings.

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  Give in to love, or live in fear.

  Yes, I believe in love.
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  I wrote a D.A. letter

  by snakeface in

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  i used to be very active int he organization, "high profile" so to speak.

  always taking the gorup out in service, always having parts on the platform etc etc.

  almost 5 years ago, i simply did not show up anymore.

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  Very good ideas witchtowerwitch, you could also wear a big cross on your neck the next time they come to your door, it used to scare vampires away in previous centuries.
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  Would you ever go back for the fake friends ?

  by Pitchess Co-Gen in

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  to quote the great rapper t.i this statement hit home : "never forget the people who stayed when everyone else left.. stay true to your team".

  i had a lot of people leave my side three years ago; because some of my "phony homies" began to listen to my ex-finance spreading rumors about me and my family.

  so to make a long story short i lost a lot of "friends" from my old way of life, but i picked up some true homies , and reconnected with a true homie in the long run.. i just had to ask that question because some of us were popular while we were in or we weren't the social butterflies.

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  Go back? I couldn’t even if I tried, which is not the case.

  I am sure all my “friends” would drop me like a hot potato the moment I got disfellowshipped without even knowing the reason why.

  I still meet with some of them from time to time, but I am very aware that it is a superficial relationship and take it for what it is.