ROFL lmao.. good one but I have a question. Isn't the name Han Sol... sexual ?
Sounds so much like HAND Solo.
Xandria
sexually suggestive lines from the star wars trilogy...
'get in there you big furry oaf, i don't care what you smell!
'luke, at that speed do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?
ROFL lmao.. good one but I have a question. Isn't the name Han Sol... sexual ?
Sounds so much like HAND Solo.
Xandria
i have really enjoyed getting to know so many of you.
don't consider this a permanent goodbye, as i'll most likely stop back every now and again to see how you are faring.
and to keep you updated with me and the family deal.. the reality is, this board was great for me while i was pregnant, i was so sick.
Nooooooo...Lisa, don't abandon us newbies just yet.. over someone misplaced ANTI- isms. What is the saying .. Opinions are like ( fill in what orafice you like) everyone has one. An some stink.
But that at least leaves one hand to type with .. (because you are holding your nose with the other). Take a Vacation .. that is okay. But forever abandoning us ( especially the newbies just getting to know everyone.) snif snif...
I know you are not
Xandria...> who is hoping visual effect will help you realize we all are not self absorbed boobs.
late last night, i made a grilled cheese sandwhich and stuck "wayne's world" in the vcr.
i've seen it dozens of times, but it never stops being funny!
and i thought about how clever mike meyers is to come up with such a great character like wayne campbell... then i thought about austin powers and the fact that part three is coming out soon!
Speaking of Mike Myers... his new movie " Gold Member" comes out on July 26th, hopefully it will be funny .
Also like his work in Shrek, his personality shines through the character. My favorite lines.
Princess: " YOU didn't SLAY the dragon ?! "
Shrek: " It's on my to do list..aright!"
The other one: " Ogres are like Onions.. they ' ave layers. "
Xandria
Edited by - xandria on 3 July 2002 13:42:32
being abused and/or neglected as a child are not the only painful and potentially damaging experiences that human beings may suffer in childhood.
whether or not, and to what extent child abuse and neglect (or other painful experiences) have negative effects depends on a variety of factors - related to the abuse itself, but also to relationships, in which the abuse and the child's responses occur.
child abuse, in itself, does not "doom" people to lives of horrible suffering.
This is from a lecture attended for a Health Educator's Annual Conference and I would like your thoughts on it. Some of the information is for people to find help who are suffering from emotional abuse. Emotional Abuse has a wide range and there are some information on finding help. I know they are in Canada b/c that is where the lecturer was from. I know this is a kinda long post.. but it is a serious subject.
Thank you.
Xandria
What is Emotional Abuse?
There is no universally accepted
definition of emotional abuse. Like
other forms of violence in relationships,
emotional abuse is based on power and
control. The following are widely
recognized as forms of emotional abuse:
Rejecting
refusing to acknowledgea persons presence, value or worth;
communicating to a person that she
or he is useless or inferior; devaluing
her/his thoughts and feelings. Example:
repeatedly treating a child differently
from siblings in a way that suggests
resentment, rejection or dislike for the
child.
Degrading
insulting, ridiculing,name calling, imitating and
infantilizing; behaviour which
diminishes the identity, dignity and
self-worth of the person. Examples:
yelling, swearing, publicly humiliating
or labelling a person as stupid;
mimicking a persons disability; treating
a senior as if she or he cannot make
decisions.
Terrorizing
inducing terror orextreme fear in a person; coercing by
intimidation; placing or threatening to
place a person in an unfit or dangerous
environment. Examples: forcing a child
to watch violent acts toward other
family members or pets; threatening to
leave, physically hurt or kill a person,
pets or people she/he cares about;
threatening to destroy a persons
possessions; threatening to have a
person deported or put in an
institution; stalking.
Isolating
physical confinement;restricting normal contact with others;
limiting freedom within a persons own
environment. Examples: excluding a
senior from participating in decisions
about her or his own life; locking a
child in a closet or room alone; refusing
a female partner or senior access to her
or his own money and financial affairs;
withholding contact with
grandchildren; depriving a person of
mobility aids or transportation.
Corrupting/Exploiting
socializinga person into accepting ideas or
behaviour which oppose legal
standards; using a person for advantage
or profit; training a child to serve the
interests of the abuser and not of the
child. Examples: child sexual abuse;
permitting a child to use alcohol or
drugs; enticing a person into the sex
trade.
Denying Emotional Responsive-ness
failing to provide care in a
sensitive and responsive manner; being
detached and uninvolved; interacting
only when necessary; ignoring a
persons mental health needs.
Examples: ignoring a childs attempt to
interact; failing to show affection,
caring and/or love for a child; treating a
senior who lives in an institution as
though she/he is an object or "a job to
be done."
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Emotional abuse accompanies otherforms of abuse, but also may occur on
its own.
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No abuse neglect, physical, sexualor financial can occur without
psychological consequences.
Therefore all abuse contains elements
of emotional abuse.
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Emotional abuse follows a pattern; itis repeated and sustained.
3 If leftunchecked, abuse does not get better
over time. It only gets worse.
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Like other forms of violence inrelationships, those who hold the
least power and resources in society,
for example, women and children,
are most often emotionally abused.
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Emotional abuse can severely damagea persons sense of self-worth and
perception.
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In children, emotional abuse canimpair psychological development,
including: intelligence, memory,
recognition, perception, attention,
imagination and moral development.
Emotional abuse can also affect a
childs social development and may
result in an impaired ability to
perceive, feel, understand and
express emotions.
5How Widespread
Is Emotional Abuse?
Only a few studies provide insight
about the prevalence of emotional
abuse in Canada. Emotional abuse is
difficult to research because:
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in comparison to other forms ofabuse, its effects have only recently
been recognized;
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there are no consistent definitionsand it is hard to define;
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it is difficult to detect, assess andsubstantiate; and
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many cases of emotional abuse gounreported.
A recent study of Ontario investigations
into child maltreatment found that, in
1993, 10 percent of investigations
alleged emotional abuse.
6In 1993, 39 percent of women in
abusive relationships reported that their
children saw them being assaulted.
7In 1995, the Canadian Womens Health
Test found that of 1000 women 15
years of age or over:
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36 percent had experiencedemotional abuse while growing up;
43 percent had experienced some
form of abuse as children or
teenagers.
Against Women Survey showed that
among ever-married or common-law
Canadian women aged 18 to 65 years,
emotional abuse is widespread. The
study found that:
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35 percent of all women surveyedreported that their spouse was
emotionally abusive.
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18 percent of women reportedexperiencing emotional abuse but not
physical abuse in a relationship.
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77 percent of women reportedemotional abuse in combination
with physical abuse.
9In one Canadian study on abuse in
university and college dating relation-ships,
81 percent of male respondents
reported that they had psychologically
abused a female partner.
10In 1995, a study of seniors client
records from various agencies across
Canada found that psychological abuse
was the most prevalent form of abuse.
Questions about insults, swearing andthreats were asked as a measure of
chronic verbal aggression.
Facts to Consider
Emotional abuse of children can result
in serious emotional and/or
behavioural problems, including
depression, lack of attachment or
emotional bond to a parent or
guardian, low cognitive ability and
educational achievement, and poor
social skills.
13One study which looked at emotionally
abused children in infancy and then
again during their preschool years
consistently found them to be angry,
uncooperative and unattached to their
primary caregiver. The children also
lacked creativity, persistence and
enthusiasm.
14Children who experience rejection are
more likely than accepted children to
exhibit hostility, aggressive or passive-aggressive
behaviour, to be extremely
dependent, to have negative opinions
of themselves and their abilities, to be
emotionally unstable or unresponsive,
and to have a negative perception of
the world around them.
15Parental verbal aggression (e.g., yelling,
insulting) or symbolic aggression
(e.g., slamming a door, giving the silent
treatment) toward children can have
serious consequences. Children who
experience these forms of abuse
demonstrate higher rates of physical
aggressiveness, delinquency and inter-personal
problems than other children.
Children whose parents are additionally
physically abusive are even more likely
to experience such difficulties.
16Children who see or hear their mothers
being abused are victims of emotional
abuse. Growing up in such an
environment is terrifying and severely
affects a childs psychological and social
development. Male children may learn
to model violent behaviour while
female children may learn that being
abused is a normal part of relationships.
This contributes to the intergener-ational
cycle of violence.
17Many women in physically abusive
relationships feel that the emotional
abuse is more severely debilitating than
the physical abuse in the relationship.
18Repeated verbal abuse, such as
blaming, ridiculing, insulting, swearing,
yelling and humiliating, has long-term
negative effects on a womans
self-esteem and contributes to feelings
of uselessness, worthlessness and
self-blame.
Threatening to kill or physically harm
a female partner, her children, other
family members or pets establishes
dominance and coercive power on the
part of the abuser. The female partner
feels extreme terror, vulnerability and
powerlessness within the relationship.
This type of emotional abuse can make
an abused woman feel helpless and
isolated.
Jealousy, possessiveness and interro-gation
about whereabouts and activities
are controlling behaviours which can
severely restrict a female partners
independence and freedom. Social and
financial isolation may leave her
dependent upon the abuser for social
contact, money and the necessities of
life.
Emotional abuse can have serious
physical and psychological
consequences for women, including
severe depression, anxiety, persistent
headaches, back and limb problems,
and stomach problems.
19Women who are psychologically abused
but not physically abused are five times
more likely to misuse alcohol than
women who have not experienced
abuse.
20Senior abuse is still a new issue and
there is little research in this field on
emotional abuse.
We do know that senior emotional
abuse and neglect can be personal or
systemic and that it occurs in a variety
of relationships and settings, including
abuse by:
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a partner,l
adult children or other relatives,l
unrelated, formal or informalcaregivers, or
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someone in a position of trust.Seniors who are emotionally abused
may experience feelings of extreme
inadequacy, guilt, low self-esteem,
symptoms of depression, fear of failure,
powerlessness or hopelessness.
21 Thesesigns may be easily confused with loss
of mental capability so that a senior
may be labelled as "senile" or
"incapable" when in fact she or he
may be experiencing emotional abuse.
Abusers may often outwardly display
anger and resentment toward the
senior in the company of others. They
may also display a complete lack of
respect or concern for the senior by
repeatedly interrupting or publicly
humiliating her or him. Not taking into
account a seniors wishes concerning
decisions about her or his own life is
an outward sign of abuse.
22Detecting Emotional Abuse
Emotional abuse may be difficult to
detect. However, personal awareness
and understanding of the issue is key to
recognizing it. The following indicators
may assist in detecting emotional abuse.
Possible Indicators of Emotional Abuse and Neglect
Children
23 Adultsdepression
withdrawal
low self-esteem
severe anxiety
fearfulness
failure to thrive in infancy
aggression
emotional instability
sleep disturbances
physical complaints with no medical
basis
inappropriate behaviour for age or
development
overly passive/compliant
suicide attempts or discussion
extreme dependence
underachievement
inability to trust
stealing
depression
withdrawal
low self-esteem
severe anxiety
fearfulness
feelings of shame and guilt
frequent crying
self-blame/self-depreciation
overly passive/compliant
social isolation
delay or refusal of
medical treatment
discomfort or nervousness around
caregiver or relative
suicide attempts or discussion
substance abuse
avoidance of eye contact
other forms of abuse present or
suspected
other forms of abuse present or suspected
Legal Interventions
Legal intervention in cases of child
emotional abuse and neglect is
governed by provincial and territorial
child protection legislation. Most
jurisdictions require that alleged or
suspected child emotional abuse or
neglect be reported to child protection
authorities or the police. In some
jurisdictions, failure to report child
emotional abuse or neglect may result
in a fine or imprisonment.
24Emotionally abusive behaviour such as
repeatedly following the other person
or someone known to her or him;
intimidating or attempting to intimi-date;
repeatedly communicating,
directly or indirectly, with the other
person or someone known to her or
him; harassing the other person with
telephone calls; besetting or watching
the other persons house or place of
work; and/or engaging in threatening
conduct directed at the other person or
a member of her or his family is
criminal harassment. These behaviours
must cause a person to fear for her or
his safety or the safety of someone she
or he knows. Other forms of emotional
abuse such as insulting, isolating,
infantilizing, humiliating, and ignoring,
although serious, are not criminal
behaviours and cannot be prosecuted
under the Criminal Code of Canada.
What Can You Do?
IF YOU ARE BEING ABUSED:
Remember:
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You are not alonel
It is not your faultl
No one ever deserves to be abusedl
Help is availableIF YOU SUSPECT OR KNOW THAT
SOMEONE IS BEING ABUSED:
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Listenl
Believel
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Let the person know about availablesupport services
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Report suspected or known childabuse or neglect to a child welfare
agency or the police
IF YOU ARE A SERVICE PROVIDER:
Work with other organizations to:
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Increase awareness of emotionalabuse
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Address the needs of those who havebeen or are being emotionally abused
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Keep informed of resources andmaterials relating to intervention
and prevention of abuse
Where to Go for Support Services
24 hour help-line or distress line
transition house or shelter
social service agency
child welfare or family services agency
police
legal aid service
health professional (e.g., nurse,
doctor, dentist)
community health centre
public health department
community counselling centre
home support agency
seniors centre
community living association
friendship centre
religious organization ( lol don't know about that one, unless you have a trust worthy person to turn to.. trust your instincts).
Suggested Resources
Canadian Panel on Violence Against
Women.
Changing the Landscape:Ending Violence Achieving Equality.
Health Canada,
Fact Sheets on Parent-TeenRelationships; Parent-Child
Relationships; Wife Abuse The Impact
on Children; Family Violence Against
Women with Disabilities; Family
Violence Against People with a Mental
Handicap; Wife Abuse; Dating Violence;
and Elder Abuse. Ottawa: National
Clearinghouse on Family Violence.
The Mental Health Division of Health
Canada has produced a number of
publications on senior abuse and
neglect which are available through
the National Clearinghouse on Family Violence.
The kit is available in bothEnglish and French. Contact: Canadian
Institute of Child Health,
885 Meadowlands Drive East,
Suite 512, Ottawa, Ontario K2C 3N2.
Tel: (613) 224-4144;
Fax: (613) 224-4145.
Nobodys Perfect
is a support andeducational program for parents of
children from birth to age five. This
program, which was developed by
Health Canada, is available in both
English and French. Contact: Canadian
Association of Family Resource
Programs, 205-120 Holland Avenue,
Ottawa, Ontario K1Y 0X6. Tel: (613)
728-3307; Fax: (613) 729-5421.
Getting Our Message Ou
t, developed bythe YWCA of Canada, 1995, is a
handbook to help communities raise
awareness and take action on violence
against women with particular focus on
the media.
Fresh Start by JoanLeFeuvre, 1992, is a practical guide for
women in abusive relationships. The
YWCA has also produced a kit
TheresNo Excuse for Abuse
which providesbasic information, ideas and actions on
woman abuse and is especially
applicable for rural and remote
communities. All are available in both
English and French. Contact: YWCA of
Canada, 80 Gerrard Street East,
Toronto, Ontario M5B 1G6. Tel: (416)
593-9886; Fax: (416) 971-8084.
A. S. A. P.: A School-Based
Anti-Violence Program
byMarlies Suderman, Peter Jaffe and
Elaine Hastings, 1993, is an evaluated,
community-based program which
addresses topics applicable to
elementary and secondary school
communities. The program includes
sections on professional development,
handling disclosures, intervention
strategies, overcoming roadblocks,
developing an action plan as well as
many additional resources. Contact:
London Family Court Clinic, 254 Pall
Mall Street, London, Ontario N6A 5P6.
Tel: (519) 679-7250;
Fax: (519) 675-7772.
Interdisciplinary Perspectives:
Interventions for Older Victims of
Abus
e, by Nova House, 1995, is amanual for service providers which
proposes an interdisciplinary approach
to intervention strategies for seniors
who are abused or neglected. The
manual also refers readers to resources
and sources of support. This document
is also available in both English and
French. Contact: Nova House Womens
Shelter, Box 337, Selkirk, Manitoba
R1A 2B2. Tel: (204) 482-7882;
Fax (204) 482-8483.
A Handbook for the Prevention of
Family Violenc
e, developed by theCommunity Child Abuse Council
Hamilton-Wentworth, 1991, is a
resource text for school personnel,
community agencies, health care
professionals, parents and volunteers.
The handbook addresses child abuse,
dating violence, wife abuse, children
who witness wife abuse, and elder
abuse. Contact: Community Child
Abuse Council of Hamilton/
Wentworth, 75 MacNab Street South,
2nd Floor, Hamilton, Ontario L8P 3C1.
Tel: (905) 523-1020;
Fax: (905) 523-1877.
Research Centres on Family Violence
and Violence Against Wome
n: The fiveResearch Centres form a national
network to achieve academic/
community collaboration. Contacts:
BC/Yukon Feminist Research,
Education, Development and Action
Centre (FREDA
), Simon FraserUniversity, 515 Hastings Street,
Vancouver, British Columbia V6B 5K3.
Tel: (604) 291-5197;
Fax: (604) 291-5189.
Research Centre on Family Violence
and Violence Against Women,
413 TierBuilding, University of Manitoba,
Winnipeg, Manitoba R3T 2N2.
Tel: (204) 474-8965;
Fax: (204) 261-3283.
Centre for Research on Violence Against
Women and Children,
100 Collip Circle,Suite 240, UWO Research Park,London, Ontario N6G 4X8. Tel: (519)858-5033, Fax: (519) 858-5034. Right from the Start: Dating ViolencePrevention for TeensOne Hit Leads to Another (Violence Against Women) Many of the above listed agencies can also refer you to there sister sites in different countries.being abused and/or neglected as a child are not the only painful and potentially damaging experiences that human beings may suffer in childhood.
whether or not, and to what extent child abuse and neglect (or other painful experiences) have negative effects depends on a variety of factors - related to the abuse itself, but also to relationships, in which the abuse and the child's responses occur.
child abuse, in itself, does not "doom" people to lives of horrible suffering.
Part 2:
Resources for Parents & Caregivers
More than anyone else (including therapists), parents and caregivers can help children recover from abuse and its effects.
I have consulted a trusted colleague, a Clinical Psychologist with specialized training and years of experience working with abused children and their caregivers. Below are her book recommendations for parents and caregivers of children who have been abused.
The Sexually Abused Child: A Parent's Guide to Coping and Understanding, by Kathleen Flynn Mach, MSW. Family Insight Books, 1994.
Handbook for Treatment of Attachment-Trauma Problems in Children, by Beverly James. The Free Press, 1994.
Trauma in the Lives of Children : Crisis and Stress Management Techniques for Teachers, Counselors, and Student Service Professionals, by Kendall Johnson. Hunter House, 1998.
See also Helping Traumatized Children: A Brief Overview for Caregivers, by Dr. Bruce Perry, Director of the ChildTrauma Academy.
Childhelp USA's National Child Abuse Hotline
1-800-422-4453
(1-800-4ACHILD)
Childhelp USA is a non-profit organization "dedicated to meeting the physical, emotional, educational, and spiritual needs of abused and neglected children." Its programs and services include this hotline, which children can call with complete anonymity and confidentiality. To know what to expect when you call, see How We Help. From the site: "The Childhelp USA National Child Abuse Hotline is open 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. Don't be afraid to call. No one is silly or unimportant to us. If something is bothering you or you want information, CALL!" To learn more about reporting child abuse or neglect in your state, see Report Child Abuse. National Domestic Violence/Abuse Hotline
1-800-799-SAFE
1-800-799-7233
1-800-787-3224 TDD
This is a 24-hour-a-day hotline, staffed by trained volunteers who are ready to connect people with emergency help in their own communities, including emergency services and shelters. The staff can also provide information and referrals for a variety of non-emergency services, including counseling for adults and children, and assistance in reporting abuse. They have an extensive database of domestic violence treatment providers in all US states and territories. Many staff members speak languages besides English, and they have 24-hour access to translators for approximately 150 languages. For the hearing impaired, there is a TDD number. This is a good resource for people who are experiencing or have experienced domestic violence or abuse, or who suspect that someone they know is being abused (though it is not perfect, and may not have the best number in your area). All calls to the hotline are confidential, and callers may remain anonymous if they wish.
Growing Beyond Survival: A Self-Help Toolkit for Managing Traumatic Stress, by Elizabeth Vermilyea.
If you want to start learning and practicing the self-regulation skills essential to recovering from the effects of child abuse, or to build on progress you are already making, I strongly recommend that you get this book. To learn more about the book and/or order it directly from the publisher (for a higher price than Amazon), go to the Growing Beyond Survival page of the Sidran Press catalog.
Trauma and Recovery, by Judith L. Herman. Basic Books, 1992.
I still believe this is the best book on psychological trauma and recovery, particular extreme child abuse. Herman integrates a great deal of research with decades of clinical wisdom and some thought-provoking historical and political perspectives. Trauma and Recovery is appropriate for survivors of child abuse and other interpersonal traumas, as well as clinicians and the general reader.
Legal Resources for Victims of Sexual Abuse
This section of Attorny Susan Smith's web site has extensive resources on remedies for victims, statutues of limitations, and mandatory child abuse reporting laws in most states of the U.S
N.O.M.S.V. - The National Organization On Male Sexual Victimization
Their mission: "Dedicated to a safe world, we are an organization of diverse individuals, committed through research, education, advocacy and activism to the prevention, treatment and elimination of all forms of sexual victimization of boys and men." There are many helpful resources here, including a Chat Room where males with sexual abuse histories provide each other with support, understanding and other helpful input.
Sidran Foundation Online Resources
This is a national non-profit organization that offers services to people who have experienced trauma and/or suffer from dissociative disorders, and those who provide services to them. There are many excellent resources here, including a Traumatic Memories Brochure and a page of Resources for Survivors.
STOP IT NOW!
"STOP IT NOW!'s mission is to call on all abusers and potential abusers to stop and seek help, to educate adults about the ways to stop sexual abuse, and to increase public awareness of the trauma of child sexual abuse."
SNAP - Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests
"SNAP is a national self-help organization of men and women who were sexually abused by Catholic priests (brothers, nuns, deacons, teachers, etc). Members find healing and empowerment by joining with other survivors. We are a rapidly-growing all-volunteer group with 2400 members and numerous local chapters. SNAP was founded by Barbara Blaine of Chicago in 1991."
The Trauma Center
The Trauma Center, founded by Bessel van der Kolk, an leading expert in the field of traumatic stress studies, is a clinic affiliated with the Boston University School of Medicine. The site includes pages on the work of Dr. van der Kolk, including links to his articles on the web and psychological trauma assessment instruments.
VOICES In Action, Inc.
Victims of Incest Can Emerge Survivors - "VOICES in Action, Inc. is an international organization to provide assistance to victims of incest and child sexual abuse in becoming survivors and to generate public awareness of the prevalence of incest.
Edited by - xandria on 3 July 2002 6:46:26
being abused and/or neglected as a child are not the only painful and potentially damaging experiences that human beings may suffer in childhood.
whether or not, and to what extent child abuse and neglect (or other painful experiences) have negative effects depends on a variety of factors - related to the abuse itself, but also to relationships, in which the abuse and the child's responses occur.
child abuse, in itself, does not "doom" people to lives of horrible suffering.
It is important to consider these issues in relation to what some people refer to as "the human condition." By this I mean:
We have learned from many people's experiences and a great deal of research that the effects of abuse and neglect depend on a variety of factors. Below I group these effects into those which research has shown to influence negative outcomes, and a variety of other factors that are harder to measure for research purposes and/or may be very important for some people but not others.
Factors research has shown to influence the effects of abuse:
A great deal of research has been conducted, and continues to be conducted, on how such factors determine outcomes for those abused in childhood. Factors that increase the likelihood of negative outcomes have been referred to as "risk factors," and ones that decrease the likelihood of negative outcomes as "protective factors." Every person who has experienced abuse is unique. And every person who has experienced abuse has a unique combination of risk and protective factors that have influenced, and continue to influence, the effects in his or her life.
In summary, it is important to appreciate that these issues are very complex, and to be familiar with how abuse and neglect can - depending on a variety of other factors - affect various aspects of a person's life. Keep this in mind as you search and interact with eachother on this forum. You do not wish to harm, shame, or blame anyone for what happened to them. It will just only revictimize them. So be compassionate.
Edited by - xandria on 3 July 2002 6:49:49
i had an experience with my son the other day and thought i would share it with the board.. i decided to take my son out to dinner.
my daughter was off with friends and my husband was working.
with it only being the two of us, i really didnt feel like making a mess in the kitchen and then have to clean it up.
I love it I lovvvve it.. I only wish some of the parents I dealt with working in Behavioral Health had as good parenting skills. I agree about not rewarding them for whining and carrying on in the store. I see too many parents give in to the child just to shut him/her up.
The child becomes accustomed to getting what he or she wants by this behavior. I am all for positive reinforcement.
Xandria
...with stops along the way in bird-in-hand and lancaster.. that's right.
today, i, my wife and my mother-in-law loaded ourselves into the car and drove down to pennsylvania dutch country, where we visited the towns of intercourse, paradise, and the others i mentioned.
we went to the mennonite information center, where we heard a lecture about the israelite tabernacle in the wilderness, enhanced by viewing an actual size model of the tabernacle.
SNICKER.... I know there are some interesting named towns out there in our State and through out the Country. I have driven through a few of them .. like TURKEY, NC.
Thank you for the giggles. You made my night w/ this naughty post.
Xandria
this website is very misleading!
it says its for jehovahs witnesses, for brothers and sisters!!!
and this site is no such thing!
Xandria, you naughty dredger! That'll teach me not to look at the posting dates !
Yep that is me NAUGHTY
So that the judgemental peeping
Because we will not take it and you may not like how we fire back. Too many people in this forum have taken years of abuse at the hands of JW's and they have every right to feel the way they do. So if you come to view and chat .. that is fine. But don't come to oppress.
Xandria
this website is very misleading!
it says its for jehovahs witnesses, for brothers and sisters!!!
and this site is no such thing!
WARNING this post contains hints of sacrasm
LMAO>.. omg do they think they ah have a copy right on JEHOVAH's name ? give me a break.
Think of it .. Where would JESUS be ? Helping the beaten down.. ex JW's. An IDJ your compassion .. really warms my heart ... gives me warm fuzzy feelings to know that your "righteous" anger over-rides your compassionate nature.. (right rofl .. what compassion ?)
Xandria