THis was an issue Ray Franz had in compiling the blue Aid to Bible Knowledge book..he found by visiting museums and speaking with so many archeologists, etc. in the field that dates were really out of range and took the information to the GB who summarily got rid of him over a period of time.. reason -- flood, 1914, Jesus return, etc... all of which and more---the WT faith is built... it would have devastated the great crowd of other sheep........same applies today they do not falter on dates, giving pivotal points of 538 ce 609 ce and 70 ce as times to start counting backwards to reach flood date, etc....citing Daniel as pointing forward to Jesus arrival...
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May I ask for help about Egyptian chronology and Neolithic settlements?
by paradiseseeker inone of the first things that shook my faith as a teenager was learning about egypt and how its history goes back as far as 3500 bc, much earlier than the flood.
also learning about the first settlements like çatalhöyük, which flourished around 7500 bc, much earlier than the creation of adam.
the only answer i got from my mother was that this world is dominated by satan and thus we cannot trust in worldly chronologies.
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References to YHWH in ancient documents
by Doug Mason inpage 15 of awake!
2017 provides an image that shows hebrew writing with the statement: “the personal name of god written in ancient hebrew characters appears abundantly in early manuscripts of the bible”.. alongside that image, the awake!
provides a listing to show “the rendering of ‘god’s name’ in various languages”.. the facts do not support either assertion that the watchtower society makes:.
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Could'nt get thru all replies so this may or may not have been suggested.... if you take a look at ancient hebrew, each letter of their alphabet is representative of a star constellation...just type in that info and the pages of backup will show
So when the bible says no dealings with astrology, it appears that this "perfect" language is indeed from the stars....
this could be a crock but looks legitimate
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How much in total do you think the W.T.S has payed out in child abuse cases??
by karter inthey have settled a lot out of court with gagging orders both ways so we will never know how much was payed out there.but some have been made public.
any ideas how much in total?.
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At least Candace Conti got something- she originally only sued for $1,440.00 She wanted these terrible situations brought to the courts as the WTBTS looks on media as fake news written by apostates.
I was astonished with the recent book/bible study rehashing how the society won all these cases in all different lands by finding mistakes in the countries charters and amendments, etc. and giving praise to Jehovah for doing it... Will Jehovah be happy when they win these cases?? I don't think so
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question of the day does a religious org have the right to hold confidential info on one of its members
by poopie inwithout there permission ?.
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In Canada, everyone has to sign a document with their doctor, dentist, accountant, drug store called Privacy Act.
Maybe that is why Trey is having such a hard time getting information because it is primarily understood that the WTBTS does not have to turn abuse information over to lawyers and courts???
Just a thought.
I believe if a crime is committed, the privacy of that person is out the window- especially against children who are brought up to trust their "brothers and sisters"....joke - No one can be trusted with your kids but unfortunately some parents are the ones who are abusing...
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How much in total do you think the W.T.S has payed out in child abuse cases??
by karter inthey have settled a lot out of court with gagging orders both ways so we will never know how much was payed out there.but some have been made public.
any ideas how much in total?.
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Sorry its Trey Goudy
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How much in total do you think the W.T.S has payed out in child abuse cases??
by karter inthey have settled a lot out of court with gagging orders both ways so we will never know how much was payed out there.but some have been made public.
any ideas how much in total?.
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Well latest is that WTBTS is paying $4000.00 a day in California for not turning over records in a sexual abuse case - this has gone on now for a few years so a huge amount is being pulled from the congregants pockets to pay for this ONE trial - it is court records
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Trey Goudy has started a class action against Canadian WTBTS as of last month along with one in U S - people still coming forward
Goudy's is also on court records so it is NOT media fake news. Just google The Watchtower...
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Alternative witnessing
by Zyron inthose of us still attending meeting are actively encouraged to use out tablets or smartphones to direct people to jw.org.
how about, after doing the standard presentation casually say to householder, you can also look at this forum to read of experiences of life as a jw as well as the official version?.
obviously you need to be working by yourself or with a pimo jw..
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With all the child abuse cases gaining momentum in Canada via Trey Bundy and his class actions suit and the Wall investigation, any thinking JW would be ashamed to knock on a door or accost someone on the street....
GB has no shame.....
I believe CBC reported the Bundy suit...
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Costs Associated with a Regular Size smaller rink Assembly Public Owned
by truthlover123 injust came from the one day -- like to call it that cause everything is a changin.... this question would be directed to someone who worked in accounts for an assembly of maybe 1700 in attendance (recently) in a small town, about 2 hours from a main city.
the accounts report was read and it was a stunner..... i guess i could call the location and see how much it costs to rent this arena for a day and see but i was wondering why would they send a large amount of monies to the wt and say we are short on contribution???.
anyb ody know - i do know about monies going for child abuse court problems they are having - latest one in canada where there us a class action suit being brought by trey bundy... plus the so called out of court settlements worldwide.. arc, britain, etc...so i know that end of it - just wondering why they are sucking /lying to support the www... .
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Just came from the one day -- like to call it that cause everything is a changin.... this question would be directed to someone who worked in accounts for an assembly of maybe 1700 in attendance (recently) in a small town, about 2 hours from a main city.
The accounts report was read and it was a stunner..... I guess I could call the location and see how much it costs to rent this arena for a day and see but I was wondering why would they send a large amount of monies to the WT and say we are short on contribution???
Anyb ody know - I do know about monies going for child abuse court problems they are having - latest one in Canada where there us a class action suit being brought by Trey Bundy... plus the so called out of court settlements worldwide.. ARC, Britain, etc...so I know that end of it - just wondering why they are sucking /lying to support the WWW...
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CT Russell & Rutherford
by truthlover123 ini have been reading of the personal histories of both these "men", to say the least, my eyes just about fell out of their sockets.
knowing what is going on in the org today, i can see how the apple does not fall far from the tree -- russell and rutherford both were involved in pyramid schemes, fraudulent activity & using people, their names, their money to obscure businesses, which all are on public record, mostly in usa..... just to build the empire from the peoples pulpit to the wtbts - russell did not just scam just about everyone he came into contact with, he tried to defraud his x out of her legal home, which the courts clearly recognized and put the words right in their court report - fraud!!
the glossed over "spiritual , gave his life for the truth" crap that the org says russell did and was, is such a pile of bs.... russell even had the "colporters" hawking for businesses other than spiritual and using the names of peoples pulpit and later wtbts while they did it... he was fully engaged in the late 1800's and early 1900's in up to 6 businesses, gold, leather, real estate.... etc.
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I have been reading of the personal histories of both these "men", to say the least, my eyes just about fell out of their sockets.
Knowing what is going on in the org today, I can see how the apple does not fall far from the tree -- Russell and Rutherford BOTH were involved in pyramid schemes, fraudulent activity & using people, their names, their money to obscure businesses, which all are on public record, mostly in USA..... just to build the empire from the Peoples Pulpit to the WTBTS - Russell did not just scam just about everyone he came into contact with, he tried to defraud his x out of her legal home, which the courts clearly recognized and put the words right in their court report - FRAUD!! The glossed over "spiritual , gave his life for the truth" crap that the org says Russell did and was, is such a pile of BS.... Russell even had the "colporters" hawking for businesses other than spiritual and using the names of Peoples Pulpit and later WTBTS while they did it... He was fully engaged in the late 1800's and early 1900's in up to 6 businesses, gold, leather, real estate.... etc. Yet the society says since 1874 his life consisted of bible study and new light!! Wrong! He used the Bible but used the congregations more as his Amway workers - get more people in, they work for him and pay for the products they could then resell and make a small profit....
What has changed??? Nothing! Get the congregations to obtain land, use their money and bodies to volunteer to build halls and assemblies halls, BUY LOW, get the deeds and SELL HIGH -- they see this as their RIGHT but remember the contemporaries since that time (1800-1900) - they all learned and passed it on well - much like the lesson in the WT this week....as they see fit ---all monies go back to "headquarters" -- NOTHING HAS CHANGED!Now with the child abuse court cases - note lurkers -- not media reports - court reports on line to see along with videos and court papers.......It's there for all to read.... Don't feel your conscience won't let you... it's your right to know everything - remember the Boereans-- they looked daily to learn truths.
Rutherford worked with him and later adopted the same style but going further, in 20's when people were starving, he buys houses, cars, trips ( with a female secretary-he was separated from wife and son).. Nice guy! Berating everyone in his path.
Remember "Types and antitypes" -- you can see it clearly in the organization now.
GOTO http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/russell.html -- it's on Russell and his host of businesses, contacts, frauds, courts, etc.
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WT PDF file "Child Safeguarding Policy of Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia"
by kpop injust passing on a link i found.
i didn't see anyone here post it so i hope i can share this.
download and pass it on!
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Where is the direction that parents should seek medical/emotional help immediately for the victim? They are just grand standing in this memo, saying what the ARC wants but will not be implemented until lawyers get involved from the society first.
These elders need classes government offer (health and welfare system) in how to deal with psychological/emotional/ anger issues that occur in dealing with these subjects. Not some half hearted video from "headquarters" from someone who does not have a clue.