Posts by truthlover123

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Padron Case Settled. What happens to the fine?

by Slidin Fast in

it seems that irwin zalkin has obtained undisclosed settlement in the case.

the $4000 a day fine then seems to be dead.

the downside?

truthlover123

Bobby:

Think about this:

For the years I have been in the "truth" I have only heard that people who commit crimes goto police and take their medicine before becoming a witness. because it would be an affront to Jehovah - the name witnesses bear....Now if you were to be a child of 5,6,7, and up, in a loving congregation and a brother started to fondle, want oral sex, rape you- what do you do? Your parents don't see the danger, we trust everyone, kids trust adults because they are conditioned to do so. These perverts are smooth, cautious like snakes and out to deceive - yet the good old boys club -even when they know-- put these people in place to take advantage of kids - I know because it happened in our congregation.....yet the parents IF they tell others to keep their kids close, can be disfellowshipped for gossip? Does that reach into your heart and tear you to pieces? The society has known about these cases for years- incest, etc. You are coming from the wrong place. If you are a current JW or work for the org, you have a lot of soul searching to do.. Watch the ARC and see where a GB member lied to the court on simple issues. and please don't use the wt on how Jesus deflected direct answers. Jesus would not allow child abuse in any form.

Apparently the org sees kids as liars.. and some may be.. however the mountain is building and now there is a class action in Canada and Trey Gundy is a U S lawyer involved in the case..

Do some research on your own.. there is a lot of cases from the courts - not the media - that show where this is heading.

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Sunday's Watchtower Study March 18... Another Money Appeal

by BluesBrother in

january 2018 issue "why give to the one who has everything?

an unashamed contribution appeal... this one with the most manipulative language i can imagine... it may have been commented on before, but i am going to anyway.. p5 quote.

"would you not agree that jehovah is worthy of all the glory and honor that we can give him by offering the best that we have?

truthlover123

Yah who does the audits? Those in writing?? Legal? No outside firm that is trustworthy thats for sure

Our congregation alone - small - gives approx $2000 - 2500 a MONTH to society,,,, multiply that by 55,000 a month worldwide.....I take half the number of ww congs as many cannot afford even that, and ours is small potatoes...

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The increase in the Anointed Ones

by Sour Grapes in

to illustrate how the botchtower's groupies are losing brain cells...last year an elder told me some of the increase in the anointed is due to those who have been unfaithful and needed to be replaced.

when i was in first grade i knew that if i had 10 marbles and i lost one and a friend gave me a marble to replace the one i lost that i once again had 10 not 11 marbles.. jdubs are very good at not thinking..

truthlover123

Stats say 1 out of 3 have mental issues so that leaves very little room for the GB doesn't doesn't it? Ken ?? was just placed on GB so that makes 8? At least 2.5 have a problem-- and they discussing the "generation" and GB. in this weeks meeting --has a video regarding the generation and how it was reached.

Apparently, there are still issues with this teaching....

OH and it also says that Jehovah will be anointing others in the future???? As if 18,000 + isn't enough...they know they cannot control what is happening and still say the end is just around the corner.... whereas it was always that when we see the anointed decreasing to zero, the end will come, it is now reverse

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New documentary on March 24, 2018 7 PM on CTV W5

by yalbmert99 in

march 24, 2018 at 7 pm, ctv channel in canada, the show w5 will air a new report on jehovah's witnesses.

ex-jws and others involved.

set your pvr..

truthlover123

You know most jw's will not know unfortunately -- this is the start Trey Goudey US lawyer is involved in a class action suit in Canada against org.

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God's Wife

by truthlover123 in

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according to scripture, god has a wife -israel.

he is her husband/husbandly owner.. the nation was cast off but jehovah said he would never leave israel.

that being said, jesus spoke of israel as a spiritual nation and the 144,000 to be picked from both israel and the nations (to fulfill the number) who were to be king priests with him.

truthlover123

NBD- are God and Jesus going to share?

Stan: many places - but only part would -- Paul, Barnabas and Peter were prophets to the nations:

Acts 9:15 13:46,47 14:27 15:7-9,12,17,19 there are more but it gives you some info

Also in Old Testament Jeremiah 1:5 - he was foreordained to be prophet to the nations

The full number to come in from both Israel and nations is told at Romans 11:25-- the whole chapter 11 is very interesting

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God's Wife

by truthlover123 in

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according to scripture, god has a wife -israel.

he is her husband/husbandly owner.. the nation was cast off but jehovah said he would never leave israel.

that being said, jesus spoke of israel as a spiritual nation and the 144,000 to be picked from both israel and the nations (to fulfill the number) who were to be king priests with him.

truthlover123

According to scripture, God has a wife -Israel. He is her husband/husbandly owner.

The nation was cast off but Jehovah said he would never leave Israel. That being said, Jesus spoke of Israel as a spiritual nation and the 144,000 to be picked from both Israel and the nations (to fulfill the number) who were to be king priests with Him. So if Jehovah was speaking about the spiritual Israel, not the earthly nation of Israel, who does the 144,000 spiritual Israelites belong to?

Not relating to the number ( be it literal or not) just the idea behind it all.....

Any ideas??

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Classic Talk Regarding KH Consolidation

by lepermessiah in

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last night i was listening in as my spouse was on the phone line.

there was a big "local needs" talk announced and it was speculated to be about the congregation reshuffling.. that ended up to be the case.

i thought i used to lay it on thick from the platform....... this was the ultimate spin job - worthy of political office or a spot on the governing body.. one thing that stood out "while the numbers may not necessarily indicate it, it is clear jehovah is speeding up the work".

truthlover123

I took a little time last night and did an overview of the years from 2012 to 2017 and found that the number baptized was 1,630,722 - amazing!! I would say 50% minimum were born ins.

I then took the average publisher numbers from that time and based on what the average publisher is in 2017, the difference missing is 920,734 because the difference from 2012 to 2017 is only 709,988 showing some growth.. where did the rest go???

That is a short 5 year period.... even though they show increases year to year, overall there is a huge loss and it cannot be contributed to deaths. Look at the number of elderly on the floors each assembly -- and those in the seats above that are in their 40-60's range...

The org has drained the pubs for years and for the 2012 Annual meeting to state they have no hole in the ceiling when it comes to knowing anything and they need thousands of kingdom halls to accommodate the GROWING CROWD- the only way the numbers explain that is to show congregations are growing - but sadly they do not (scarcasm) show the brick and mortar locations as they are combining congregations to 2 -3 congs per hall and selling off the assembly and meeting halls.

Wake up those still in - there is a contracting of bodies -(and buildings) this is no different than scientology who own more real estate and have more money than the Vatican ( not really) but close!

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The Constant Mindchatter After You Leave

by pale.emperor in

i've been out almost 2 years now and consider myself wide awake to watchtower propaganda and well on my way to recovery from the mental abuse we've all experienced.. one thing that just will not go is that i constantly think of jwism and watchtower and get myself all annoyed at their lies and blatant twisting of facts in their broadcasts and magazines.

it's so bad that it's the first thing i think of when i wake up, then i have these mental arguments in my head proving the jw teachings false and then getting annoyed because no jw will listen even if you tried to tell them.

i call this constant thinking and mental reasoning and mental arguing "mindchatter".

truthlover123

It very sad..we watch what the nazis did to children -- any religion knows to get them young,, its the parents who are stupid--I was. Going to a regular church that does not load repetition but you still know right from wrong, doesn't seem so bad now.......My son has not had anything to do with it since he was 14 and is now 51 and he absolutely hates the organization but still has a belief in God ... the creation, etc. but anything else and he is ready to throw someone off the steps.. The family turned their back on him as he was not baptized-- he is so angry with them-they are JWs... those he called uncle, who worked for his father, gone but living in same area... I am torn, I don't know how to comfort him and he is alone with the exception of myself. He maintains he cannot have a regular relationship as "thoughts" creep back in again, the teachings he can't ignore...like a looping tape..Personally those who I have called sister and close friends have their own issues so we are in a situation where it comes down to life is life - live it and know that death will eventually come and what is after that is anyones guess.

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May I ask for help about Egyptian chronology and Neolithic settlements?

by paradiseseeker in

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one of the first things that shook my faith as a teenager was learning about egypt and how its history goes back as far as 3500 bc, much earlier than the flood.

also learning about the first settlements like çatalhöyük, which flourished around 7500 bc, much earlier than the creation of adam.

the only answer i got from my mother was that this world is dominated by satan and thus we cannot trust in worldly chronologies.

truthlover123

THis was an issue Ray Franz had in compiling the blue Aid to Bible Knowledge book..he found by visiting museums and speaking with so many archeologists, etc. in the field that dates were really out of range and took the information to the GB who summarily got rid of him over a period of time.. reason -- flood, 1914, Jesus return, etc... all of which and more---the WT faith is built... it would have devastated the great crowd of other sheep........same applies today they do not falter on dates, giving pivotal points of 538 ce 609 ce and 70 ce as times to start counting backwards to reach flood date, etc....citing Daniel as pointing forward to Jesus arrival...

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References to YHWH in ancient documents

by Doug Mason in

page 15 of awake!

2017 provides an image that shows hebrew writing with the statement: “the personal name of god written in ancient hebrew characters appears abundantly in early manuscripts of the bible”.. alongside that image, the awake!

provides a listing to show “the rendering of ‘god’s name’ in various languages”.. the facts do not support either assertion that the watchtower society makes:.

truthlover123

Could'nt get thru all replies so this may or may not have been suggested.... if you take a look at ancient hebrew, each letter of their alphabet is representative of a star constellation...just type in that info and the pages of backup will show

So when the bible says no dealings with astrology, it appears that this "perfect" language is indeed from the stars....

this could be a crock but looks legitimate