in its use of the prophecy contained in nebuchadnezzar's dream (daniel 4), the wts applies a "greater fulfilment" beyond its initial application.. while they complain about the wts's action, at the same time these people make their own secondary applications to prophecies, such as with micah 5:2. these people also find "greater" meaning to historical statements, such as at isaiah 9:6 and at isaiah 53.. such passages had their local meaning yet people are prepared to find their "greater application" which suits their ends, just as the wts does.
it is not an excuse to say that the nt writers indulged themselves in the practice.. i am not saying that i agree with the practice; i am simply seeking consistency and integrity.. doug.
I agree with Rickroll - several years ago they did not want anything applied - type/ anti type but since then they have BEEN RELIGIOUSLY DOING IT..
Same about talking about the new system.. we should not assume, we were told - yet on the platform the next year, teenagers were talking about what they were going to do and what would be there.... double talk is all the society does to further confuse an already confusing situation...
watchtower appeals the lawsuit in quebec (canada) french:.
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1173405/temoins-jehovah-crimes-sexuels-appel.
Thanks Yal, had not heard much so that is a good bit of info
once again the mention of jesus was or has been very little this truly is an old testament cult with some sprinkles of pauline writings to help them in their doctrines.
i also noticed how mixed up the congregations are at this and probably other rcs.
some of the local congregations are here near the rcs site but also ones almost 100 miles away as well , yet other local congregations are not scheduled at this time.
Funny u should say that about all the love and that in the congregations. The study today was on that particular topic, I did not go but am still waiting for a phone call to see if I died. I was tied in on line though and did not miss the important message to care for those who are in the congregations....
JOKE
is it your understanding that any jw can have holy spirit indwell them or is that an experience a part of the anointing that the wt teaches is reserved for the 144,000?.
please provide references if you can..
The GB themselves at the 2012 Annual Meeting said that " we dont have a hole in the "ceiling" to determine what a scripture means,,, if they cannot reach agreement (is holy spirit working?) they put it in a drawer and sometimes in upcoming months/years, they may come to agreement as to what the scripture means. You would think that as acting as the all knowing , informed, chosen ones, that they would know - just like prophets of old would when angels visited them or God spoke directly to them, not re writing the bible to suit their objective.
has anyone read and considered the watchtower’s final submission to the supreme court?.
gag.. also, have you read and considered the final submission by zalkin?.
it’s interesting for sure.. zalkin hammers it home.
They are arrogant- no different than politicians, they work like politicians, have a gaggle of lawyers, accountants and pr firm to downplay the terrible abuses
They flaunt all the early law cases they successfully won over the years yet hide what is going on now-- how they fought for Rutherford and the boys to get out of prison, what a victory! How they fought for freedom of religion and choice for the society -- what a victory! Went to courts around the world - won their cases -plastered the holy spirit and Jehovah as the winners and decrying the legal authorities as the devil of this system---but the worm has turned and they are being made to pay big time...
is it your understanding that any jw can have holy spirit indwell them or is that an experience a part of the anointing that the wt teaches is reserved for the 144,000?.
please provide references if you can..
By that I mean, they use the "" holy spirit"" inference as they want to use it.. since the writing department has full sway over moving the publishers will to get things done..
is it your understanding that any jw can have holy spirit indwell them or is that an experience a part of the anointing that the wt teaches is reserved for the 144,000?.
please provide references if you can..
Looking back to 1989 August 15 it states that Jesus is the mediator for only the 144,000- anointed Christians, yet the 2007 QFR answer to this question was and I quote"' However, anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special "insights" beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have, nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation.""
Plus lowly pubs have always had it mentioned that as we study, holy spirit clarifies things and where two are gathered, holy spirit is there.
I do believe the society uses the holy spirit issue to obtain their objectives, using it when they want and discouraging it when they need.
i had gotten a phone call from a brother who was really upset.
he said there was a resolution passed that everyone is in agreement to the selling of the elmira hall.
the strange thing is at the congregation picnic an elder told him that a few years ago the deed to the hall was signed over to the org.
When the letter was read about the new Global Assistance program - I did not raise my hand in approval. No explanation if it was tied in with the forever mortgage resolution, which it is not, is for 12 months or lump sum.....and I am so sick of the constant cry for money - just bold faced lies as to what they are doing with the huge amount they are receiving, but now with B. Anderson and Google reporting on the New York situation re abused ones, I can see where they are scrambling and this could be the death knell for them.
I know now that I am marked because of not raising my hand.
'the watchtower november 2019 study articles quoted below can be summed up as follows:.
the great tribulation is near, so become more entrenched in the cult by strengthening friendships with other jw's, by revealing your thoughts to them, by doing more for the org, and by refusing to listen to any upsetting reports about the org in the media or on the internet.. par.
19, page 7 - we must be determined to build and maintain strong relationships with our brothers and sisters now.
These statements chill me to the bone.... distort facts about the tower???... that's why they hired a pr firm to negate the "fake news"..
The day is come -- the new donation arrangement is in effect this week.. $3.50 per publisher x # of publishers every month for 12 months to help with re building halls damaged by weather - really?? Where is the insurance coverage all halls have for such an occurrence?
As far as I can see, this article was written to have people spying on other publishers - much like they do in China-- report them to the officials (elders)and then get a visit if your "heart" is not right. Weed out the chaff so to speak, keep the true believers and get rid of those on the fence who do not support the org.
A real catch and release [program in effect.
i am not a mathematician, so i have a question -- the dow dropped almost 900 points today due to china devaluing its yuan against the us dollar.
what will the impact be on markets as well as the farmers, steel, etc.?
- this is crazy and as dt is a tariff guy, the country is being devastated by the results.
I am not a mathematician, so I have a question -- the Dow dropped almost 900 points today due to China devaluing its yuan against the US dollar.
What will the impact be on markets as well as the farmers, steel, etc.? - this is crazy and as DT is a tariff guy, the country is being devastated by the results. Pension plans also impacted everyone!
Coal miners have lost jobs, auto makers are going out of business, and the country of China was the one that floated 1 trillion dollars during the financial mess Obama dealt with.. US still owes on that loan.
Where is this all headed?
Sorry, two questions actually. Third - is this the time to have some money in the mattress?
