Posts by sseveninches

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Paradise earth doctrine - did it strike anyone else as a bit odd?

by sseveninches in

i have neglected to read jwfacts.org since discovering jwn a few weeks ago (remnants of the "apostate" defenses in action), but recently i decided to dive head first into it, and it has been eye-opening.

of course, some of the information i already knew through reading jwn, but one of the pages that really got my attention was the paradise earth topic under "questionable doctrine".. paradise earth caught my eye because way before i started having doubts about jw doctrine, i have always been asking questions about the topic - not to raise doubts (since i didn't have any back then), but just for my personal understanding, and to see how plausible it could be.

in the past i have asked things like:.

sseveninches

I have neglected to read JWfacts.org since discovering JWN a few weeks ago (remnants of the "apostate" defenses in action), but recently I decided to dive head first into it, and it has been eye-opening. Of course, some of the information I already knew through reading JWN, but one of the pages that really got my attention was the Paradise Earth topic under "questionable doctrine".

Paradise earth caught my eye because way before I started having doubts about JW doctrine, I have always been asking questions about the topic - not to raise doubts (since I didn't have any back then), but just for my personal understanding, and to see how plausible it could be. In the past I have asked things like:

If Jesus said in the Lord's Prayer: "let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven", how come JWs say that the will in heaven wasn't done until 1914? This question was dismissed with the remark that Jesus was just telling a prophecy.
Between the beginning of time and now, a lot of "faithful" people have lived and then died. Will they all fit on earth? Dismissed as "we'll see".
If the earth isn't already full when everyone is ressurected, people will have babies until the earth's capacity is reached, and then what? People will surely not have the desire to have babies anymore, due to God being in control.
So when the earth is filled, then what happens? The same group of people will forever live on the earth, with no one else getting a chance to see the light of day? Unanswered.
When exactly does this "1000-year rule" take place? Since 1914, or at a later date? Unanswered.
How can Matthew 5:3, 5 be referring to two groups of people when both should be sharing the same qualities? Shouldn't the "other sheep" and the "little flock" share the qualities of being "conscious their spiritual need" and being mild-tempered? Unanswered.

So it was my pleasure to see these very questions raised on JWfacts, as I've been actually asking them to others with genuine intentions of enhancing my understanding, but never got any satisfactory answers. It just made me glad that I wasn't the only one who had these questions.

Did anyone else on here think it was a bit odd when studying or during your time as JW? It certainly bothered me the entire time. The idea is nice, but I can't possibly view it as realistic.

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a grunt's bethel experience

by jnrtigbfxd0 in

this was pretty easy actually.

so what if i sit down for a second?

same in the air-conditioned room where we made the foreign language orders.

sseveninches

I took the time to read every word of that, since at one point I actually wanted to go there. Thanks for all the info - I enjoyed the insight into the "bethel" experience.

I was offered by a CO's wife to go to Bethel, back when I was still interested, and when I told her I was still in college, she said I could drop it and they'd "finish my training". I have no idea what she meant by "finish my training", and I don't think that engineering is something that anyone can teach and be recognized by other schools/employers.

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Did You Feel Truly Loved By The Witnesses?

by minimus in

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were you feeling the love from the "brothers" and "sisters"?

if you did, for how long?

?.

sseveninches

Not really...I'd say JWs are worse than "wordly" people. They don't call, text, email, or anything else to show that they just want to see how I'm doing. They use the excuse of "oh I'll see him at the next meeting" to not contact me. I'm a nice person, and do say a genuine Hello to everyone in the hall, but they only use my nice-ness to their advantage. It was a mistake letting people think that I'm technically inclined...people just contact me to help with their computer problems, and after that I never hear from them again, with some rare exceptions.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-03-2012 WT Study (REVEAL)

by blondie in

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) why was jesus able.

jesus do so?

father as well as to jesus.

sseveninches

It seems strange to me that the WT chose to quote Dr. Walter Martin even though he openly criticizes JW doctrines on his website, only picking what makes the WT look good. I love how they would quickly call me an apostate for doing the same thing.

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Compile the list: Jehoobie HATES:

by hamsterbait in

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i want to compile a list of all the things the witless death god wastes his inexhaustible energy on.. (other than resisting the temptation to save starving children or protect them from pedos).

the first thing jehoobie hates on my list (at least since the coraline dvd for witless kids/victims).

magic!.

sseveninches

More things:

People who show up to the Kingdom Hall via public transit/some other means of non-vehicular transportation (mentioned at the special assembly)

Not pioneering at least once a year

"Being different" in general

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What's Your Status? Are You Technically Still A JW?...

by minimus in

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are you disfellowshipped, disassociated, active, inactive???

?.

sseveninches

Active. I still like with my parents, so I'm waiting until I move out (very soon) to be able to make any moves. I want to be able to at least have some financial and housing stability before taking on any emotional turbulence. Still a "faithful JW" on the outside, but on the inside, I live by my own rules.

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Lurker's first post

by sseveninches in

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hi guys,.

i call myself a lurker, but it's really been a short time since i've known about this site...it's only been five days.

i discovered this site while doing personal research on the topics of porneia, oral sex, and mutual masturbation, and found a thread on this site about it.

sseveninches

I envy you.

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"We are at the end of the last day of the last days. The governing body feels strongly about this."

by BroMac in

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sseveninches

I can say one thing...I may still be in, but they won't be getting any of my money anymore.

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"We are at the end of the last day of the last days. The governing body feels strongly about this."

by BroMac in

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sseveninches

That's what they said last year (or the year before that). They said that the day is so close it makes them tingle. My foot.

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How can I convince my mother the JW's are wrong?

by schnare in

this is probably going to be a long post, since i am going to be added some parts of our conversations on facebook.

my mother has been involved sort of with the jw's, since she was younger.

so she's always kind of believed in their stuff.

sseveninches

Concerning the bit about Noah preaching, the Bible indeed does not say that Noah was ordered to preach. I remember a CO mentioned this during one of his talks while he was at my congregation. Does any Watchtower literature say the opposite? If so, I would very much like to see it.