Posts by realcourchesne

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

realcourchesne

Could you be more specific please?

Thank you,
Real

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

realcourchesne

Hi everyone,
Thanks again for all your previous answers.

It seems that no one is on this forum today, but its ok.

Again, please do not give me "right now" the reason why your answer may be yes or may be no. It makes it too difficult for me to understand your answer. Yes in future questions I will ask for clarification on your answers but only after giving me a clear answer no matter what your answer will be.

If as John said, the FATHER judges NO ONE, AT ALL, but he has committed all judging to the Son. Or if the FATHER judges NOT A SINGLE ONE, but he has committed has dedicated all and every single judging to the Son; do you believe the exact words of John in this particular verse when he said that FATHER judges NO ONE AT ALL but he has committed all judging to the Son? Or if you do not believe “some” of the exact words of John in this particular verse? Again at this time I would appreciate a plain and clear answer to my question concerning this specific verse.

"For the FATHER judges NO ONE AT ALL, but he has committed all judging to the Son," John 5:22, N.W.

Sincerely, Real

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Please, please, please.

by realcourchesne in

thank you for all your answer,.

it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.

john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.

realcourchesne

Hi everyone,

Thank you for all your answer,

Please, please, please do not give me "right now" the reason why your answer may be yes or may be no. It makes it too difficult for me to understand your answer. Yes in future questions I will ask for clarification on your answers but only after giving me a clear answer no matter what your answer will be.

At this time I would appreciate a plain and clear answer to my questions.

It seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, “Yes I believe that Jesus was THE creator exactly as John said It.” or “No I don’t I believe that Jesus was THE creator exactly as John said it.” John 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.

If ALL things came into existence, if ALL things came into life through Jesus, and apart from Jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life. Do you believe that Jesus was THE creator or was not THE creator exactly as John said?

" ALL things came into existence THROUGH (because of) him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence" John 1:3, N.W.

Do you believe (yes or no), the WORLD WAS MADE, WAS FABRICATED, WAS PRODUCED, (Webster’s Definition for the word “Made”) BY JESUS CHRIST as John said?

"He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not." John 1:10.

Do you believe (yes or no), word for word what the Father said to Jesus in this particular verse?
"YOU AT THE BEGINNING, O Lord, laid the foundation of the earth itself, and the heavens are the works of YOUR hands" Hebrews 1:10 N.W.

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Question

by realcourchesne in

if we read the new world translation as it is written, it is quite clear that the god to which they refer to, when using the name jehovah is not applicable to the father but would identify the son, jesus the christ instead.. is any one here reads the same thing i read?.

correct me if im wrong but i find that the new world translation tells us that jehovah (the father) is the judge.

"as for jehovah, he will sit to time indefinite.

realcourchesne

Good Aaron,

I’m glad that you said that I could ask anything I like. So I’m asking you again: Do you believe that Jesus was THE creator or was not THE creator as John 1:1-14 says?

Thank you for your time,
Real

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Question

by realcourchesne in

if we read the new world translation as it is written, it is quite clear that the god to which they refer to, when using the name jehovah is not applicable to the father but would identify the son, jesus the christ instead.. is any one here reads the same thing i read?.

correct me if im wrong but i find that the new world translation tells us that jehovah (the father) is the judge.

"as for jehovah, he will sit to time indefinite.

realcourchesne

Thank you very much for your answer.

I only wanted to know if you believe that Jesus create this world only after He had been MADE PERFECT as your believe that Jesus became the Savior only after He had been MADE PERFECT?

If I understand you believe that at that time the Father WAS the Savior of Israel and besides him there was no other. And when Jesus was resurrected, and after I had been MADE PERFECT, Jesus BECAME responsible for the salvation of all those obeying Him.

Even if I will have forthcoming questions I’m not disputing this subject at this time.

If I understand you believe that Jesus laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning. You believe that ALL things were made BECAUSE of him or BY Him, in the beginning as the NWT teaches. "He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not." John 1:10.

“ALL things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”

If ALL things came into existence, if ALL things came into life through Jesus, and apart from Jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life. I only want to make sure if your believes that Jesus was THE creator or was not THE creator as John 1:1-14 says?

Thanks, Real

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Question

by realcourchesne in

if we read the new world translation as it is written, it is quite clear that the god to which they refer to, when using the name jehovah is not applicable to the father but would identify the son, jesus the christ instead.. is any one here reads the same thing i read?.

correct me if im wrong but i find that the new world translation tells us that jehovah (the father) is the judge.

"as for jehovah, he will sit to time indefinite.

realcourchesne

Hi Aaron,

If Jesus became the savior only after He lived and die on this earth; when did the Lord, LAID, (Place, put down), THE FONDATION of the earth itself? We know that He could not create this world after His earthly life because this world was created long before that.

How could Jesus create this world only after He had been MADE PERFECT? Or did He BECAME responsible or in charge for creating a world that was already created by the Father?

"YOU AT THE BEGINNING, O Lord, laid the foundation of the earth itself, and the heavens are the works of YOUR hands" Hebrews 1:10 N.W.

"YOU AT THE BEGINNING, (not after He had been MADE PERFECT) O Lord, LAID, (Place, put down), THE FONDATION of the earth itself, and the heavens are the works of YOUR hands" Hebrews 1:10 N.W.
The NWT teachs that all things came into existence through Christ.
"He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not." John 1:10. In John 1:1-14, we read that Christ, also called the Word, is the Creator of ALL things and not even one thing came into existence (Apart from him) or not even one thing was not made by him" ALL things came into existence THROUGH (because of) him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence" John 1:3, N.W.

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Question

by realcourchesne in

if we read the new world translation as it is written, it is quite clear that the god to which they refer to, when using the name jehovah is not applicable to the father but would identify the son, jesus the christ instead.. is any one here reads the same thing i read?.

correct me if im wrong but i find that the new world translation tells us that jehovah (the father) is the judge.

"as for jehovah, he will sit to time indefinite.

realcourchesne

Than you very much for your answer!

I understand that it might be hard questions for someone like you that believes the NWT is the only correct translation. But it is not the same circumstance for me (yet). I’m trying to understand what the NWT says in those particular verses.

I don’t believe you understand my question. The NWT is telling us that Jesus Christ (The Son) is the (ONLY), Savior:

As you do, I believe that it pleased the Father to give all authority to His Son as you said: “It pleased the Father that "all things would be IN his Son." Why did not the Father say the truth to Isaiah? Isaiah 43:11. N.W. Instead of saying: "I am Jehovah; AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BISIDE (ME)." What could have stopped the Father to tell the truth, something like: “It pleases ME that all things be in My Son Jesus Christ?” Or something like: “I give the authority to My Son Jesus Christ to create, save and judge this world.”

Why would the Father made the apostles look like if they did not tell untruth when they said: "Furthermore, there is no salvation in ANYONE ELSE, for THERE IS NOT ANOTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN that has been GIVEN AMONG MEN by which we must get saved." Acts 4:12, N.W.

Only one here can be right.

Unless Christ is the Lord Jehovah of the Old Testament, that received the authority to create, save and judge and return it to the Father at the end the NWT is telling us that the Father in heaven is lying or the apostles are lying. Only one here can be right, or the Father telling Isaiah: "I am Jehovah; AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BISIDE (ME)." Or the apostles when saying: "Furthermore, there is no salvation in ANYONE ELSE, for THERE IS NOT ANOTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN that has been given among men by which we must get saved." Acts 4:12, N.W.

If as you said: It pleased the Father that "all things would be IN his Son." What could have stopped the Father to tell the truth in those particular verses?

This example (Savior) is also valid for the three examples I give in my letter.

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by realcourchesne in

if we read the new world translation as it is written, it is quite clear that the god to which they refer to, when using the name jehovah is not applicable to the father but would identify the son, jesus the christ instead.. is any one here reads the same thing i read?.

correct me if im wrong but i find that the new world translation tells us that jehovah (the father) is the judge.

"as for jehovah, he will sit to time indefinite.

realcourchesne

If we read The New World Translation as it is written, it is quite clear that the God to which they refer to, when using the name “Jehovah” is not applicable to the Father but would identify the Son, Jesus the Christ instead.

Is any one here reads the same thing I read?

Correct me if I’m wrong but I find that The New World Translation tells us that Jehovah (The Father) is the Judge. "As for Jehovah, he will sit to time indefinite. Firmly establishing his throne for judgment itself."
· "And he himself will judge the productive land in righteousness;"
· "And those knowing your name will trust in you," Psalms 9:7,8,10.

It tells us that Christ (The Son) is the (only) Judge:
The New World Translation tells us that Christ is the Judge.
According to what I read in the NWT, the apostle John knew who the "LORD" (Jehovah) of the Old Testament was, he knew that the "Lord" (Jehovah) himself will judge the productive land in righteousness when he said:"For the FATHER judges NO ONE AT ALL, but he has committed all judging to the Son," John 5:22, N.W.
I believe Matthew also, knew the teachings of the Old Testament, when speaking of Christ he said:"For the Son of man shall come in the Glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his work." Matt. 16:27.

Jehovah Saviour:
The New World Translation tells us that Jehovah (The Father) is the Saviour.
· "For I am Jehovah your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior... " Isaiah 43:3. N.W.
· "I am Jehovah; and there is no Savior besides me." Isaiah 43:11. N.W.
Here again the Old Testament is clear concerning the title "Savior", can we question it? There is no Savior beside the "Lord" (Jehovah) of the Old Testament.

Christ Saviour:
The New World Translation tells us that Christ (The Son) is the (only) Savior.
As they wrote in the book of Acts the apostles probably knew that the "LORD" (Jehovah) of the Old Testament was the Son, Jesus the Christ, when they said: "Furthermore, there is no salvation in ANYONE ELSE, for THERE IS NOT ANOTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN that has been given among men by which we must get saved." Acts 4:12, N.W. or as Matthew said: "She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from sins." Matt.1:21 N.W.
Should we believe that the apostle Paul also was aware of the teachings of the Old Testament when he said: "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners." 1Timothy 1:15, N.W.

The NWT teachs that all things came into existence through Christ
"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." John 1:10. In John 1:1-14, we read that Christ, also called the Word, is the Creator of all things and not even one thing came into existence (Apart from him) or not even one thing was not made by him"All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence" John 1:3, N.W.

The Father himself, speaking to Christ said: "YOU at the beginning, O Lord, laid the foundation of the earth itself, and the heavens are the works of YOUR hands" Hebrews 1:10 N.W.

According to the NWT, Christ is the Creator. The Lord that spoke to Isaiah was Christ, and he did not deceive him for what he said in verses 43:3 and 43:11. The book of Acts is not contradictory to the book of Isaiah. Christ is the Lord of the Old Testament that created our world.

According to the NWT, the Creator looked after his Creation
After creating the world, Christ also called the Word, looked after his creation, he is the God that spoke to Isaiah, and Moses, and Jeremiah, and all the other prophets. He directed them and guided them in the administration of the house of Israel. Then this same Creator called the Word was made flesh: "So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory" John 1:14 N.W., and he established his Church and at the age of 33, he died on the cross and he continues today and he will continue to supervise his creation until the end, until judgment day, until resurrection day, when he will hand over to the Father, his work. At this time only will he present to the Father his work, the creation he was commissioned to create. 1 Cor. 15:24. According to the Bible, Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Lord Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, and the Savior. See also: Mat. 28:18, John 3:35, 17:2, 1Cor. 15:27. Heb.2:8.

My question is: How can the WT teach that the Father is called Jehovah if the NWT teaches that Jesus is this God that they call Jehovah?

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The Father's Name

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hi, i'm new to this forum; im not a jehovah witness and was reading a book called you can live forever in paradise on earth.

in chapter 22, page 185, when teaching the importance of knowing the name of the father (jehovah), the watchtower bible and tract society says: in fact, knowing that name is necessary for salvation, as the bible says.

romans 10: 13,14. my question is: if knowing that the father's name (jehovah) is necessary for salvation; why even in their bible the new world translation, would jesus used the terms "my father," "our father," and "the father" when teaching about and praying to his father?.

realcourchesne

Hi Shelby,

Thank you for your reply,

They say:
"How does Jehovah view those who remove his name from the Bible? If you were an author, how would you feel about someone who went to great lengths to remove your name from the book you authored?"

If we accept their theory for a moment that the four letters JHVH representing the name Jehovah (the Father) where replaced by the name Lord by other Bible translators, Paul would have said:

6 "But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Jehovah Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him." 1 Corinthians 8:6

And the Father himself, speaking to His Son Jesus Christ would have said:

And, Thou, Jehovah, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. . Hebrews 1: 8-10

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The Father's Name

by realcourchesne in

hi, i'm new to this forum; im not a jehovah witness and was reading a book called you can live forever in paradise on earth.

in chapter 22, page 185, when teaching the importance of knowing the name of the father (jehovah), the watchtower bible and tract society says: in fact, knowing that name is necessary for salvation, as the bible says.

romans 10: 13,14. my question is: if knowing that the father's name (jehovah) is necessary for salvation; why even in their bible the new world translation, would jesus used the terms "my father," "our father," and "the father" when teaching about and praying to his father?.

realcourchesne

Hi, I'm new to this forum; I’m not a Jehovah witness and was reading a book called “You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth”. In chapter 22, Page 185, when teaching the importance of knowing the name of the Father (Jehovah), the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society says: “In fact, knowing that name is necessary for salvation, as the Bible says”. Romans 10: 13,14

My question is: If knowing that the Father's name (Jehovah) is necessary for salvation; Why even in their Bible “The New World Translation”, would Jesus used the terms "my Father," "our Father," and "the Father" when teaching about and praying to his Father?

I understand that Jesus was addressing His Father but so are we when praying the Father. If Jesus never did, why would Jehovah Witnesses call the Father by the name Jehovah in their prayers?