Do you know that Hundreds of times in their Bible, (The New World Translation), The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society incorrectly translated the Greek synonym for (Lord) to the name Jehovah and hundreds of other times (because it would have contradicted their teachings) they correctly translated the exact same Greek synonym to the name Lord.
See presentation att: http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/translat.html
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by realcourchesne indo you know that hundreds of times in their bible, (the new world translation), the watch tower bible and tract society incorrectly translated the greek synonym for (lord) to the name jehovah and hundreds of other times (because it would have contradicted their teachings) they correctly translated the exact same greek synonym to the name lord.. see presentation att: http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/translat.html
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
Thank you very much,
This is the kind of answer you should have given me at the beginning. I don’t know why you said before: “BOTH the Father and Son created all that has been made.” (Jun 29, 2001 8:10:02 PM)
I agree with you when you say: “The Father, from my perspective, assisted the Son in two things, forming Adam in the beginning, and raising Christ from the dead. Everything else was Christ...when in flesh, He was a man with the Father's power.”
Thanks again,
Real Courchesne
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
Thanks anyway,
I do not dispute the fact that the Lord God Jesus was and still in subjection to God the Father. The NWT tells us that Jesus never did anything that was not commended by the Father.
I have been trying to get a straight answer from every one of you on this forum but no one could say with a clear yes or a clear no if they believe every words of the quotes I quoted, as they where written in the NWT.
Do not feel bad about that because you are not the only one that can’t do it. Millions and millions of JWs have the same problem and the reason is very simple.
The NWT tells us that THE father in heaven gives ALL authority to His Son Jesus Christ to create our world, the heaven included. And the NWT tells us that Jesus did. The Father himself, speaking to Christ said: "YOU at the beginning, O Lord, laid the foundation of the earth itself, and the heavens are the works of YOUR hands" Hebrews 1:10 N.W. "ALL things came into existence THROUGH him, and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence" John 1:3, N.W.
The NWT tells us that THE father in heaven gives ALL authority to His Son Jesus Christ to be the ONLY Judge. :"For the FATHER judges NO ONE AT ALL, but he has committed ALL judging to the Son," John 5:22, N.W.
The NWT tells us that by giving His own life for us Jesus Christ became the only Savior of our world. "Furthermore, there is no salvation in ANYONE ELSE, for THERE IS NOT ANOTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN that has been given among men by which we must get saved." Acts 4:12, N.W.
The New World Translation tells us that the Lord of the Old Testament that they call Jehovah was Jesus the Christ. Otherwise the Lord that spoke to Isaiah would have been lying when saying: "For I am Jehovah your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior... " Isaiah 43:3. N.W.
· "I am Jehovah; and there is no Savior besides me." Isaiah 43:11. N.W.BUT, The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society teaches that the Lord of the Old Testament is the Father.
JWs are in constant contradictions with the teachings of the NWT. Although the NWT tells us that Jesus is the ONLY Creator, the ONLY Savior, the ONLY Judge and THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL, they must prove The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society’s theory.
All this controversy will instantly vanish the day they will accept that Jesus and not the Father is the Lord of the Old Testament that the NWT calls Jehovah.
Paul’s said: To us or as far as we are concerned there is not two but one God the Father and not two but one Lord Jesus Christ?
“There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we in him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are” 1 Cor 8:6.I thank you very much for your time. I believe that The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society will sooner or later relief you from all that controversy by teaching the words of the NWT or of any other Bible as they are written.
I believe that at a time less damaging to their popularity, the Watch Tower and Tract Society will initiate a complete fundamental reform of their teachings concerning who is the Lord of the Old Testament that they call Jehovah.
Fore more flagrant controversies you may visit my web site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/page02.htm
Sincerely yours,
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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Hi everyone,
Thank your answer,Only to make sure that I understand your answer!
Are you telling me that your answer is the equivalent of: Yes I believe that; to us or as far as we are concerned there is not two but one God the Father and not two but one Lord (God) Jesus Christ?
Sincerely, Real -
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
Hi everyone,
“So to me, Jesus is BOTH Lord and God, because that IS what the Bible teaches.”
Yes I also believe that Jesus is God and Lord but I do not believe that the word Lord and God mean the same thing. And I will with pleasure, talk about this subject later. But at this time I would appreciate your answer on this specific teaching of Paul:
Is every one here believes Paul’s exact words when he said that; to us or as far as we are concerned there is not two but one God the Father and not two but one Lord Jesus Christ? Or any one on this forum does not believe “some” of the exact words of Paul in this particular verse?
“There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we in him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are” 1 Cor 8:6.
Again at this time I would appreciate a plain and clear answer (as close as possible to a YES or a NO) to my question concerning this specific verse.
Sincerely, Real
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
Thank you very much, you are absolutely right, the actual quote is in Greek not English.
I have here “THE INTERLINEAR BIBLE, HEBREW, GREEK, ENGLISH”. And “THE INTERLINEAR GREEK-ENGLISH NEW TESTAMENT”, and both of them express the matter in the same way the NWT and the KJ do. They both says that to us or as far as we are concerned there is not two but one God the Father and not two but one Lord Jesus Christ.
So, please let me ask my unanswered question again: Is every one here believes Paul’s exact words when he said that; to us or as far as we are concerned there is not two but one God the Father and not two but one Lord Jesus Christ? Or any one on this forum does not believe “some” of the exact words of Paul in this particular verse?
“There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we in him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are” 1 Cor 8:6.
Again at this time I would appreciate a plain and clear answer to my question concerning this specific verse.
(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) 1 Corinthians 8:6 all <235> {BUT} hmin <2254> {TO US [THERE IS]} eiV <1520> {ONE} qeoV <2316> {GOD} o <3588> {THE} pathr <3962> {FATHER,} ex <1537> {OF} ou <3739> {WHOM [ARE]} ta <3588> panta <3956> {ALL THINGS,} kai <2532> {AND} hmeiV <2249> {WE} eiV <1519> {FOR} auton <846> {HIM;} kai <2532> {AND} eiV <1520> {ONE} kurioV <2962> {LORD} ihsouV <2424> {JESUS} cristoV <5547> {CHRIST,} di <1223> {BY} ou <3739> {WHOM [ARE]} ta <3588> panta <3956> {ALL THINGS,} kai <2532> {AND} hmeiV <2249> {WE} di <1223> {BY} autou <846> {HIM.}
(Greek NT - (wh) w/ Grammar tags) 1 Corinthians 8:6 ÎallÐ <235> {CONJ} all <235> {CONJ} hmin <2254> {P-1DP} eiV <1520> {N-NSM} qeoV <2316> {N-NSM} o <3588> {T-NSM} pathr <3962> {N-NSM} ex <1537> {PREP} ou <3739> {R-GSM} ta <3588> {T-NPN} panta <3956> {A-NPN} kai <2532> {CONJ} hmeiV <2249> {P-1NP} eiV <1519> {PREP} auton <846> {P-ASM} kai <2532> {CONJ} eiV <1520> {N-NSM} kurioV <2962> {N-NSM} ihsouV <2424> {N-NSM} cristoV <5547> {N-NSM} di <1223> {PREP} ou <3739> {R-GSM} ta <3588> {T-NPN} panta <3956> {A-NPN} kai <2532> {CONJ} hmeiV <2249> {P-1NP} di <1223> {PREP} autou <846> {P-GSM}
(Greek NT - (tr) w/ Grammar tags) 1 Corinthians 8:6 all <235> {CONJ} hmin <2254> {P-1DP} eiV <1520> {N-NSM} qeoV <2316> {N-NSM} o <3588> {T-NSM} pathr <3962> {N-NSM} ex <1537> {PREP} ou <3739> {R-GSM} ta <3588> {T-NPN} panta <3956> {A-NPN} kai <2532> {CONJ} hmeiV <2249> {P-1NP} eiV <1519> {PREP} auton <846> {P-ASM} kai <2532> {CONJ} eiV <1520> {N-NSM} kurioV <2962> {N-NSM} ihsouV <2424> {N-NSM} cristoV <5547> {N-NSM} di <1223> {PREP} ou <3739> {R-GSM} ta <3588> {T-NPN} panta <3956> {A-NPN} kai <2532> {CONJ} hmeiV <2249> {P-1NP} di <1223> {PREP} autou <846> {P-GSM}
Sincerely, Real
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
Hi everyone,
Thanks for answering my question on who is the judge?
On Jun 29, 2001 8:10:02 PM someone quoting 1 Cor 8:6, said:
There is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Close, the actual quote from NWT, is: 6,) “there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we in him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are”
I believe this is a very interesting quote. Do you believe the exact words of Paul in this particular verse when he said that there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we in him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are?
Is every one here believes Paul’s exact words when he said that; to us or as far as we are concerned there is not two but one God the Father and not two but one Lord Jesus Christ? Or any one on thia forum does not believe “some” of the exact words of Paul in this particular verse?
Again at this time I would appreciate a plain and clear answer to my question concerning this specific verse.
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
Hi everyone,
Thanks for answering my question on who was the Creator of our world?
I understand that my questions are difficult questions and I appreciate your efforts to give me answers that are as close as you probably can answer them, to a clear yes or a no.I asked you another very important question that I would appreciate the same effort if it is not too much to ask?
Again, please do not give me "right now" the reason why your answer may be yes or may be no. It makes it too difficult for me to understand your answer. Yes in future questions I will ask for clarification on your answers but only after giving me a clear answer no matter what your answer will be.
If as John said, the FATHER judges NO ONE, AT ALL, but he has committed all judging to the Son. Or if the FATHER judges NOT A SINGLE ONE, but he has committed has dedicated ALL and every single judging to the Son; do you believe the exact words of John in this particular verse when he said that FATHER judges NO ONE AT ALL but he has committed all judging to the Son? Or if you do not believe “some” of the exact words of John in this particular verse?
Again at this time I would appreciate a plain and clear answer to my question concerning this specific verse.
"For the FATHER judges NO ONE AT ALL, but he has committed all judging to the Son," John 5:22, N.W.Sincerely, Real
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
OK, Thanks,
Real
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by realcourchesne inthank you for all your answer,.
it seems rather difficult for you to give a plain and clear answer like, yes i believe that jesus was the creator exactly as john said it.
john 1:1-14, but believe me answering my questions by a clear yes or by a clear no, one by one; without any explanations for the moment, will be a much faster way for me to understand your teachings.. if all things came into existence, if all things came into life through jesus, and apart from jesus not even one thing came into existence or came into life.
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realcourchesne
Could you be more specific please?
Thank you,
Real