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  Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

  by shadow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

  fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

  the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

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  shepherdless

  jacobm: Yes, I understood what you mean't. We are either having a communication problem, or you are not being forthcoming. I'll ask again: How can the strongest, most agile, best adapted snake reproduce with the female if there are hundreds of other snakes all in a ridiculously complex wrestling match? There are too many variables.

  For natural selection to occur, it doesn't need to be the single no 1 "fittest" male snake that gets to reproduce. It just has to be one that is more fitter than the average.

  But of course, you already knew that; you are just being silly.
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  shepherdless

  Back to the original topic.

  It seems to me that SBF's view on what is more likely to work to drag someone out of the cult is valid, because it negates what really keeps them in. People are a lot less logical than they think they are. The advertising and marketing industries are clearly aware of this.

  
  

  The following video titled "Bending Truth" relates to how people get drawn into a cult and how they get manipulated. It particularly discusses "cognitive dissonance". It seems to me that the way to get a typical cult member out is to reverse the cognitive dissonance, not using logic and reason.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IaUhR-tRkHY

  
  
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  The problem of sex (or why I'm not an atheist)

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i write this under the shadow of the walls of saint jorge's castle in lisbon, two very bored jws are standing just five metres away from me with a literature cart .... in my journey away from jwism i accepted evolution as a fact.

  i also became anti-religion, agnostic and apatheist.

  and, while i lean towards the persuasion of the atheist arguments, there are a few reasons that make it difficult for me to completely discard the notion of an intelligent origin of life.

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  shepherdless

  Vidqun starts with:

  Think of DNA as a manual of how to build a cell/organism.

  
  

  then goes on:

  
  

  The manual, as information, cannot arise by itself, from organic or inorganic matter. You need someone to write the manual and its applications.

  
  

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  The manual needs to be written (programmed) for that. The question is: Who wrote the manual?

  
  

  Wikipedia says:

  To beg a question means to assume the conclusion of an argument—a type of circular reasoning. This is an informal fallacy, in which an arguer includes the conclusion to be proven within a premise of the argument, often in an indirect way such that its presence within the premise is hidden or at least not easily apparent.

  
  Thanks for the practical example, Vidqun.
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  Sunday Tv - Jehovah's Witnesses Paedophilia in Australia

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if only someone had listened back then!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8b22hs9me.

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  shepherdless

  The date 23 August 2002 appears early on in the video. The host of Sunday (Jim Waley) in that episode left the show in December 2002.

  Hence it aired somewhere between late Aug and Dec 2002.
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  shepherdless

  I have to agree with SBF on this. In a nutshell:

  SBF: JWs will often only be convinced JWs are wrong when such a conclusion aligns with their own interests.

  People make decisions far more on emotional and other non-intellectual bases than they realize. They then create an intellectual justification, afterwards. I understand that this has been proven by experimentation many times. Eg, google "Festinger and Carlsmith experiment". It tends to happen at a subconscious level, so after a while people don't realize it, and just remember the intellectual justification.

  
  

  If you look at advertising and marketing, it is overwhelmingly about hooking you in emotionally, rather than intellectually. The advertising industry wouldn't do that, if it didn't work. Another example: I was told once that the Catholic Church had a major problem with priests leaving the priesthood once their respective mothers die.

  
  

  I suspect that for every individual that leaves the cult for entirely intellectual reasons, at least another 50 leave partly or wholly for other reasons (too inconvenient, too boring, too unpleasant, etc). They then quickly find the intellectual justification to stay away, and there is plenty of intellectual justification available to choose from.

  
  

  Unfortunately what that also means is that it is a lot harder to wake up a cult member than some people seem to think.

  
  
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  Why A Divine Being is Possible

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now we all have heard how the universe is composed of matter and space.

  and we always here of how it had a beginning.

  but really what could have begun it?

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  shepherdless

  Now we all have heard how the universe is composed of matter and space. And we always here of how it had a beginning. But really what could have begun it?

  In the following lecture, Lawrence Krauss, a respected physicist and cosmologist, gives a detailed answer:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YSqCtbz5mc
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  Ex JW Reddit numbers going crazy

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know what the membership increase is like here but over at reddit their getting 20 plus newbies daily if not more.

  it's crazy how much thier growing 2000 or more since i signed up and that wasn't that long ago.

  looks like the loyalty conventions didn't stem the tide.

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  It looks like typically 2 or 3 sign up a day, judging from the last few days. However, I don't think you can compare, because that site is for a different genre (less interested in any lengthy debates), and seems to have a lot more young people.

  Some don't seem to post anything. I first signed up to this site years ago, with a cool username, and never posted a thing. (Someone else here, uses that username, now). It took me a while to have the courage to post anything.

  Perhaps large numbers are signing up because Flodin recently warned about apostate websites. It would be interesting to see if it continues at that rate, because if 20 people are signing up per day, that is 7200 per year. And if only 1 in 10 people who visit the site, sign up, that would indicate potentially 1% of publishers around the planet are checking these sites out, in any given year. I suspect Simon would know more about what is going on, how many "hits" etc.
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  New Dutch Assembly Hall Swifterbant - 17 September 2016

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a new 2,500 seater assembly hall in the netherlands - which expands to 3,500 seats for the annual conventions - is being dedicated on saturday 17 september 2016.. the existing hall on the site is converted into a venue for the wt schools - lecture room with ancillary accomodation - bedrooms, kitchen, canteen, study areas etc etc.

  background information:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/261089/big-jw-changes-netherlands-holland.

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  shepherdless

  From the earlier thread, it looks like this expansion was planned over 3 years ago. It seems to me the money worries have mainly been since, in the last 18 months or so. I suspect that they wouldn't make a decision to commence such a project, these days.
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  Are the Jehovah's Witnesses really false prophets, perhaps being mentally manipulated by the Watchtower Corporation ? ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a lot of public scrutiny going on these days about the jw religion particularly on the inter - net.

  one of the posed questions which gets debated and discussed quite often, are the jws false prophets instigated to preach a tainted commercialized gospel under the direction of the executive leaders of the watchtower corporation ?

  these focused men who are responsible for creating the core doctrines of this organization.

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  shepherdless

  I agree wholeheartedly with your first post, Dunedain. That pretty much sums up how I see it. However, I think the demise of the Borg will be a long slow drawn out affair.

  Most religions that have folded ran out of members, not money. (Christian Science may be a partial exception.) However, Watchtower has (by my rough reckoning) a much larger central bureaucracy to support than other religions, when taking the number of rank and file into account. So perhaps Watchtower will be the exception.
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  The George Wald quote is from a Scientific American article in 1954. I can't locate a free copy of the article on the internet, but there are at least 2 people who apparently have read it ans say the quote is out of context. Here is one:

  http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/quote_wald.html

  Vid - Scientist needs to decipher and isolate DNA and gene sequences with algorithms, meaning DNA was constructed by means of algorithms.

  
  

  That is like saying "Scientists need microscopes to view bacteria, meaning bacteria are created with microscopes."