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  News from Court in Europe

  by asp59 in

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  basically the same as prohibiting house to house preaching?.

  https://europe.easybranches.com/finland/european-court-of-justice-rules-jehovah’s-witnesses-illegally-gather-personal-data-455622.

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  For example, it will be difficult to make return visits without such records, as like as to collect data about foreign-language speakers.
  
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  News from Court in Europe

  by asp59 in

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  basically the same as prohibiting house to house preaching?.

  https://europe.easybranches.com/finland/european-court-of-justice-rules-jehovah’s-witnesses-illegally-gather-personal-data-455622.

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  The headline "European Court of Justice rules Jehovah’s Witnesses illegally gather personal data" is misleading, as I've shown here, and it will possibly enough for JW organization to instruct publishers not to collect data mentioned in art. 9 of GDPR and to invoke art. 6(1)(f) of the Regulation in respect of other personal data to comply with data protection law. There will be changes, but it unlikely will be necessary to eliminate door-to-door preaching.
  
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  JWs Outlawed in Russia

  by minimus in

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  they are banned!.

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  @steve2, Scientologists and Mormons are not banned in Russia.

  @Finkelstein, these persecutions (100+ armed raids at homes, 50+ are prosecuted and 20+ are detained for the first 10 month merely for practicing their religion) have nothing about real or alleged victims, they don't help anybody and only ruin and will ruin hundreds and thousands lives.

  @eyeuse2badub, "criticizing, predicting, and even looking forward to the destruction of a government" are not crimes, taking into account that JWs don't commit, incite for or justify any anti-governmental activities.

  @Perry, @LongHairGal, poorly founded speculations about higher state expenses and dubious charges of deception are bad justifications for criminalizing entire religion, aren't they?
  
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  JW Door-to-Door Notekeeping Attracts Scrutiny of EU Authorities

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a newly- enacted eu gdpr privacy protection law, to become effective from may 25, has apparently prompted jws to file suit in protest: .

  (translated from the italian) .

  source: ex-jwblog: http://testimonidigeovachiedono.blogspot.com/2018/05/le-note-di-casa-in-casa-sono-illegali-per-il-gdpr.html):.

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  @sir82, I think your conclusions are premature. Yes, ECJ has decided that EU data protection law is applicable to door-to-door notekeeping and JW entities are responsible for compliance with that law.

  But it should be noted that, for example, art. 6(1)(f) of GDPR allows processing of personal data, with the exception of data revealing racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, data concerning health, sex life or sexual orientation and other sensitive data, without consent of data subject when "processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject". Taking into account that The Article 29 Working Party mentioned exercise of the right to freedom of expression or information, conventional direct marketing, other forms of marketing or advertisement, and unsolicited non-commercial messages, including for political campaigns or charitable fundraising, as possibly being legitimate purposes of data processing (Opinion 06/2014, p. 25), it will likely be necessary for national supervisory authorities and courts, CJEU and other national and international bodies to determine whether and to what extent that provision is applicable to JW door-to-door ministry and similar activities (e.g., political canvassing).

  As Steve Peers (University of Essex) wrote,

  But while we know that EU data protection law applies to such activities, and that responsibility is shared, we don’t know how to apply the law in such cases, as the Court wasn’t asked. (The earlier ruling on home security cameras similarly leaves such possible questions unanswered). On what grounds can the data be processed? Must homeowners give their consent to the processing for specific reasons? One can imagine that those who are already reluctant to discuss their faith with Jehovah’s Witnesses will be even more reluctant to discuss the minutiae of data protection consent with them too. Can the legitimate interest of evangelists or political canvassers justify the processing of data? Or can a statute validly regulate this issue? (One suspects that politicians will be particularly keen to find time to legislate to justify their own activities, if necessary).
  

  Finally, I don't think that not-at-home and do-not-call data are personal data and protected by EU law.
  
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  JW Door-to-Door Notekeeping Attracts Scrutiny of EU Authorities

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a newly- enacted eu gdpr privacy protection law, to become effective from may 25, has apparently prompted jws to file suit in protest: .

  (translated from the italian) .

  source: ex-jwblog: http://testimonidigeovachiedono.blogspot.com/2018/05/le-note-di-casa-in-casa-sono-illegali-per-il-gdpr.html):.

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  On Wednesday, Jehovah’s Witness spokesperson Veikko Leinonen declined to comment on the ECJ’s ruling on the organisation’s information-gathering practices.

  He told Yle that the community is taking the ruling very seriously, but wants to examine it thoroughly before adopting a position on it.

  “At the moment we are in waiting mode. We are looking into what to do about the decision. We have nothing further to say on the matter,” Leinonen added. However he said that at a glance, he would describe the court’s ruling as “complex.”

  “When you read the ruling, there are many arguments for and against. It is quite impossible and unnecessary to consider the matter on the basis of all these issues,” he declared.

  The organisation has continued its door-to-door ministry.
  

  https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/european_court_of_justice_rules_jehovahs_witnesses_illegally_gather_personal_data/10299224
  
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  JW Door-to-Door Notekeeping Attracts Scrutiny of EU Authorities

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a newly- enacted eu gdpr privacy protection law, to become effective from may 25, has apparently prompted jws to file suit in protest: .

  (translated from the italian) .

  source: ex-jwblog: http://testimonidigeovachiedono.blogspot.com/2018/05/le-note-di-casa-in-casa-sono-illegali-per-il-gdpr.html):.

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  Some interesting blogs about the judgment:

  https://leidenlawblog.nl/articles/knock-knock.-whos-there-the-data-protection-directive-95-46

  https://leidenlawblog.nl/articles/the-jehovahs-witnesses-religious-community-and-european-data-protection-law

  http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2018/07/is-data-protection-coming-home-cjeu-on.html

  https://verfassungsblog.de/die-zeugen-jehovas-und-das-datenschutzrecht/ (in German)
  
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  Attorney of record in trademark name of Jehovah's Witnesses was caught in underage sex sting

  by oppostate in

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  attorney of record in trademark name of jehovah's witnesses was caught in underage sex sting.

  and is prohibitted from practicing law.

  http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/member/detail/195791.

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  There is no any indication that WTS even tried to register "Jehovah's Witnesses" as a trademark. Eduardo Leaton filed the application on his own behalf, and it was abandoned, never registered.

  
  

  And another interesting link: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/users/4481/Oroborus21
  
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  JW Door-to-Door Notekeeping Attracts Scrutiny of EU Authorities

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a newly- enacted eu gdpr privacy protection law, to become effective from may 25, has apparently prompted jws to file suit in protest: .

  (translated from the italian) .

  source: ex-jwblog: http://testimonidigeovachiedono.blogspot.com/2018/05/le-note-di-casa-in-casa-sono-illegali-per-il-gdpr.html):.

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  The CJEU (Grand Chamber) judgment was released today: a religious community, such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses, is a controller, jointly with its members who engage in preaching, for the processing of personal data carried out by the latter in the context of door-to-door preaching. The processing of personal data carried out in the context of such activity must respect the rules of EU law on the protection of personal data. It is for the Finnish Supreme Administrative Court now to decide whether the national JW community should be prohibited from door-to-door notekeeping in its current form.
  

  The press release

  The judgment
  
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  Child trafficking issues in India

  by MaxPayne in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is the message that was posted on the jw inbox announcements tab.

  i have copy pasted it as it was.

  if anyone from india has any information related to this, please do share.. regards.. urgent: child trafficking accusations.

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  I surely didn't mean there is no child trafficking in India at all. This thread is mostly about rumours, not real crimes, that's what I meant. And I don't see any reason to trust such rumours, especially in a country like India with all its anti-conversion laws, mob attacks, and other manifestations of religious intolerance.
  
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  Child trafficking issues in India

  by MaxPayne in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is the message that was posted on the jw inbox announcements tab.

  i have copy pasted it as it was.

  if anyone from india has any information related to this, please do share.. regards.. urgent: child trafficking accusations.

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  purrpurr, there is no child trafficking, only another moral panic (or even the Indian equivalent of blood libel). As blankspace wrote,

  With this being said, there's been a spurt fake videos that have gone viral - these videos claim that there are child traffickers in the area. Because of these videos, there've been a number of lynchings and deaths of innocent people. This has especially happened in villages - they didn't even spare an older woman. Now since JWs go out in twos, they look pretty suspicious. And since they're urged to speak to even little children, they look even more suspicious. I believe they've come under the scanner primarily because of this. I don't think there's trafficking in India but there definitely is a lot of child abuse in the organization.

  Some recent headlines:

  Indian mob kills transgender woman over fake rumors spread on WhatsApp

  https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/28/asia/india-transgender-whatsapp-mob-intl/index.html

  Two men are the latest to be lynched in India because of false rumours spread on WhatsApp accusing victims of kidnapping children

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5829683/Two-men-lynched-chilling-footage-false-accusations-child-kidnapping-WhatsApp.html

  Rumors of child-kidnapping gangs and other WhatsApp hoaxes are getting people killed in India

  http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-india-whatsapp-2018-story.html