Posts by Saethydd

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Are Children born crippled/diseased, uncared for, and dying prematurely proof that God does not exist?

by anointed1 in

are children born crippled/diseased, uncared for, and dying prematurely proof that god does not exist?.

1) what do children born healthy and well cared for prove?

2) what do babies aborted (many of whom might have led a normal healthy life, and some of whom might have contributed much to the society like many scientists, doctors, engineers ....) prove?.

Saethydd

Are Children born crippled/diseased, uncared for, and dying prematurely proof that God does not exist?
If so,
1) What do children born healthy and well cared for prove?
2) What do babies aborted (many of whom might have led a normal healthy life, and some of whom might have contributed much to the society like many scientists, doctors, engineers ....) prove?
3) What do babies killed in wars (some of which are created for the sake of war) prove?

I will use the word indicates here instead of "proves," because "proof" requires a large body of evidence, therefore these few pieces of evidence don't qualify.

I would say that things indicate a random selection for life and death, not completely random mind you because a certain amount is determined by genetics, chemistry, and society, but it is somewhat random and chaotic nonetheless.

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Sparlock is making his rounds again

by stillin in

i was at the meeting last night and the dreadful video about caleb and sparlock was forced upon the audience.

honestly, i had forgotten how bad it was.

the mother's manipulative over-reaction and caleb's acceptance that his toy was evil.

Saethydd

I can't help but notice how they failed to define magic in that video. Perhaps because magic can be considered anything that defies natural explanation. Say, for example, parting an ocean with a staff, or raising people from the dead. The fact is, the Bible is full of humans who invoke magic, (referred to as miracles) to accomplish things.

It could even be argued that Moses was in fact, a "Warrior Wizard," after all he used magic to bring the Israelites out of Egypt and then organized the nation like a warrior would under Joshua.

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Stranger asks about your kids mental wellness. ..

by purrpurr in

last night at the meeting there was a suggested presentation about the new mags, which cover the issue of depression in minors.

the jw jumps straight from "hi how are ya" to "how is your kids mental well-being " and of course the hh is more than happy to discuss the inner workings of their child's mind with a stranger whose just knockedmon their door(!).

if it was me i'd be majorly creeper out!.

Saethydd

Another thing, I fail to see how further burdening your teenager with strict rules that build their "spirituality," will somehow make them less depressed. Especially, rules which, by nature of and adolescents physiology and psychology they can not but help to fall short of, in their thoughts if not their actions. If anything this is likely to spiral them further into depression, based on feelings of guilt, a phenomenon I'm all too familiar with amongst my peers.

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Stranger asks about your kids mental wellness. ..

by purrpurr in

last night at the meeting there was a suggested presentation about the new mags, which cover the issue of depression in minors.

the jw jumps straight from "hi how are ya" to "how is your kids mental well-being " and of course the hh is more than happy to discuss the inner workings of their child's mind with a stranger whose just knockedmon their door(!).

if it was me i'd be majorly creeper out!.

Saethydd

I was thinking the exact same thing in those few moments I looked up from reading "Reluctant Apostate" to see what tripe they are pushing this month. Perhaps they should start sending these videos out to householders so they know the appropriate responses to such situations.

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Spiritual paradise or proverbial straitjacket?

by UnshackleTheChains in

noas a current or past jehovah's witness, do you / or did you feel part of a spiritual paradise with full liberty in christ as the watchtower society/organisation describes?.

or do you / did you feel you were wearing a proverbial straitjacket in the sense you feel / felt restricted and controlled by the watchtower society / organisation?.

Saethydd

I wouldn't call it a straight-jacket so much as a bubble. I was raised in my little bubble and told it was a paradise and no world worth seeing existed outside of it, and in fact, this bubble was in place for my on protection. As I aged I began to notice that parts of the things that existed in the bubble were pretty awful, but instead of doing anything to fix those awful parts I was taught to simply shrug my shoulders and say, "ah well, things outside the bubble are so much worse." I even managed to catch sight of things going on outside the bubble that seemed quite nice, but always managed to convince it couldn't have been so.

All of this changed however when I was forcibly ejected from the bubble, and instead of just sitting quietly outside the bubble I decided to take this as an opportunity to actually explore whether or not things out were as bad out here as I had been led to believe. I realized, of course, that they aren't. I mean it's far from perfect, but then again things inside the bubble were never perfect either, not for me anyway.

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Sparlock is making his rounds again

by stillin in

i was at the meeting last night and the dreadful video about caleb and sparlock was forced upon the audience.

honestly, i had forgotten how bad it was.

the mother's manipulative over-reaction and caleb's acceptance that his toy was evil.

Saethydd

Heh, coincidently I recently decided to go ahead and watch the Harry Potter movies. They are actually pretty great movies in my opinion.

Maybe someday someone will make a movie about young Caleb growing up, going to high school or college, waking up from the manipulative teachings of the JWs and finally getting to see whether all that interest in Sparlock was warranted by his classmates.

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Guilt as Motivator

by LifesNotOver in

jw
friends

i've just come across this idea: i've been feeling guilty about not contributing more to this forum, given all the help i've received here.

i feel guilty that i haven't had it as bad as so many of you.

i feel guilty that i didn't have any jw family/friends that shunned me when i left.

Saethydd

My best suggestion would be to try and find a qualified therapist, it sounds like you may have a form of clinical depression if guilt is a constant motivator in your life. It would most like be genetic, caused by childhood events, or a severe trauma in adulthood. Why the JW religion may not have necessarily caused it, I'm sure it didn't help.

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Making life and death/life altering decisions based on commands from someone you're not sure exists

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

straight from the off, i will say that i'm 100% atheist.

i have no faith.

however, it occurred to me while thinking back over my involvement with the jw religion and especially when i take into account personal and family situations where people have made life altering choices due to being jw's, just how crazy it really is.

Saethydd

Speaking as someone who has tried to debate this subject with people I concur with @sir82's assessment.

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Divine Punishment???

by Saethydd in

i was recently at a sunday watchtower, reading one of the novels i have on my ipad to help me get through the dreadfully boring event.

every once in awhile though i'll glance at the article just in case anyone is peeking at my screen, and in the article, i noticed these paragraphs.. 3. how did exile in babylon differ from the slavery the israelites had experienced in egypt?.

3 what the prophets had foretold came to pass.

Saethydd

@Diogenesister

Yeah, I remember having read that account and thinking how it seemed an incredibly cruel thing to kill people for looking upon or touching the Ark. (Which seems like ought to have been considered a "graven image" in the first place, but anyway...)

You've also reminded of another befuddling case of an unjust execution carried out by God. I don't remember the specific book it's from but it's an account about a prophet who is told not to eat anything in a land he is going into to prophesy. Anyway, some other guy who lives in that land comes up to the prophet and tell him that an angel told him to tell the prophet that God decided he could come and eat a meal with this man. (Kind of like God changed his command to Abraham about killing Isaac.) But as it turns out that man was lying. In any case, God kills that prophet even though he was deceived, but no punishment was recorded for the man who willfully deceived him.

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How much money people usually donate to WT ?

by Bardamu in

i grew up in the org and never got baptised, however i was wondering recently about how much money my family and old friends are wasting in all that.

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i remember of course never talking in amounts, that it was important to give from what you can not what you have etc but i admit i have no clue how much the average witness gives (say in % of their income).. i'm sure it varies greatly, i'd love to hear what you guys have to say..

Saethydd

It seems like my parents usually donate somewhere between $75.00-$125.00 a month.