Do we also have first, second, and third earth?
Yeah, D.J. MacHale wrote about them in his brilliant YA book series about the inter-dimensional traveler Bobby Pendragon who has to save the universe from the malicious Saint Dane.
Saethydd
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Dec 2018 Watchtower Third Heaven & Paradise
by Listener ina qfr in the watchtower asks ".
n what sense was the apostle paul “caught away to the third heaven” and “into paradise”?—2 cor.
they've been flip flopping regarding this, stating that it is paul talking about himself to paul talking about the congregation and back again to paul talking about himself.it appears that three years ago david splane gave a talk during the convention explaining their latest ideas and it has taken all this time for it to get into print.
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Saethydd
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Why aren't the JDubs receiving more bad publicity concerning the abuse cover-ups?
by Sour Grapes ini know that the jdubs think that they are the center of the universe and in actuality, no one except ex-jdubs gives a rats ass about these religious crazies.
my question is i read that as a percentage of pedophiles per members, that the percentage is larger in the watchtower company than in the catholic church.
i would think that would catch someones attention in the media and make a good story.. what really pisses me off is the watchtower cult is gloating about all of the negative press the catholics are receiving concerning pedophiles not even knowing that the jdubs have thousands of sexual abuse cases that have been covered over.
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Saethydd
JWs aren’t as high profile as the Catholic Church, most people don’t know much about them and don’t care what they do as long as they are left alone personally
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JW’s do NOT shun... (apprently)
by pale.emperor inmy quora campaign of answering all jw related questions truthfully with evidence is going well.
however, one jw had the audacity to claim that "jws do not shun".
they seem to want to present a fake, squeeky clean image to non-members and seem to get angry when answering questions regarding shunning.. like this asshole, dennis cybulski.
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Saethydd
Just come back to Jehovah’s loving organization and we will not treat you like sh-t and call you nasty names.
Well you’ve got to remember, they learned their manners from the guy who loves you so much he’ll kill you if you don’t love him back. Yes, it’s technically a “choice” but one that’s clearly designed to hurt you if you don’t do what they want.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!
by minimus inshould i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?
should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?
should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.
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Saethydd
No matter whether you DA, DF, or fade, the organization still holds your family and friends hostage against you inside it (at least if you’re a born-in like me). My personal choice was to leave with as little dishonesty or beating around the bush as possible, and I was already disfellowshipped before the thought of leaving ever crossed my mind so that meant no trying to get reinstated just to live a lie for awhile. -
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KH Hall doors to remain locked during meetings?
by StarTrekAngel inmy mother in law told us this morning that they read a letter in her cong last night.
from now on kh doors will be locked after 15 min of meeting start.
only the fire exit (one way door) will remain unlocked.
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Saethydd
If they want to lock the doors of KH during meetings for security reasons, then what the heck are those legions of angels doing ?
They are probably busy taking cold showers to deal with their centuries of pent up sexual frustration.
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The people who decided the Scriptures
by Doug Mason inmany people over many centuries have been involved in deciding which documents were scripture.
there has never been unanimous agreement, including today.
only the church of rome took a vote on the canon.
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Saethydd
I realized this when I was about 20, after I researched it and discovered that we really just used one of the many accepted canons (JWs actually use the Protestant list of cannon, not the Catholic list) and brought it up to my parents it didn’t seem to bother them nearly as much as it did me. Looking at all the “apocryphal” writings really went a long way towards helping me question the book as a whole. In fact, just last night I was looking into the origins of the Torah, (Hebrew Scriptures) most scholar’s believe that those writings weren’t really put together until after the Jews returned from Babylon and that many of the books were slowly added to by many writers over a period of time instead of each book being written in whole by a single author as many JWs believe. Worship of the deity Yahweh wasn’t even very widespread in Israel before that and evidence suggests they actually worshipped the head of the Canaanite pantheon, a god known as El, whose name can even be seen in the name of IsraEl. There is even a version of Deuteronomy that says Yahweh is on of the children of El and was granted Israel as his own nation, it took centuries of Yahweh absorbing the traits of other deities like El and Baal before the Israelites denied the existence of any other gods. (Sorry went off on a bit of a tangent there)
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Update About Terrific Grandkid
by Iown Mylife injust had to share some good news in our family - my granddaughter has her car packed and she's getting moved into the dorm at her university tomorrow morning!
all day i've been thinking about how fantastic it is when you know without a doubt that a precious kid has absolutely made the right decision for their life.
we have hoped so much that she would be able to attend college.. she graduated high school this past may and qualified for a scholarship to a wonderful school.
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Saethydd
Congratulations! It's always good when someone is given the ability to follow their passion without being restricted from it by blind religious dogma. I'm happy for you and your granddaughter.
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Heaven, Hell and the Afterlife
by JW Answers insalvation : "heaven, hell and the afterlife.
"the jehovah's witnesses believe only 144,000 will make it to heaven, they dismiss the concept of a literal hell, and do not believe in the afterlife.
in this new video, i explain from the scriptures who go to heaven, who go to hell and is the afterlife proven in the bible?
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Saethydd
Seems about as beneficial as warning about the dangers of trusting a cyclops by using quotes from The Odyssey.
It’s all a fictional danger (or “reward” if you like the idea of kissing the ass of an all powerful being who still needs your worship to stroke his own ego) written about in a book of unsubstantiated supernatural events that are made no more credible as a factual version of history by virtue of their being written thousands of years ago.
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Arguments I’ve Had: Historical Accuracy and the Bible
by Saethydd inwhen i was a jw and still living with my parents i remember the way my father held what could almost be described as contempt for archeologists, paleontologists, and other scientists who dared to try explain what happened in past.
he justified this attidtude with the argument that these people don’t have enough evidence to make such claims with any certainty.
however, i see now that his viewpoint was more likely a defense mechanism to protect his presupposed conclusion that everything described in the bible actually happened.
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Saethydd
When I was a JW and still living with my parents I remember the way my father held what could almost be described as contempt for archeologists, paleontologists, and other scientists who dared to try explain what happened in past. He justified this attidtude with the argument that these people don’t have enough evidence to make such claims with any certainty.
However, I see now that his viewpoint was more likely a defense mechanism to protect his presupposed conclusion that everything described in the Bible actually happened. I remember when I was making my exit from the cult I tried to explain my agnostic atheist position to my parents and it was like talking to a wall because no evidence I provided to prove the Bible was inaccurate was ever good enough for them. The evidence of scientists and historians in support of scenarios that don’t involve magic was just simply too outlandish for my parents to accept. Their entire narrative of history requires that miracles, magic, angles, and demons all influenced the world in very tangible ways in one particular geographic area in the distant past and between then and now such magical forces have stopped manifesting themselves in such obvious ways for no apparent reason.
I’ve recent thought of an illustration that exemplifies the absurdity of such a position and thought I might share it. It’s kind like if someone was accused of stealing something from a store, but they insist that a magic gremlin put the stolen item in their bag, and then when video evidence is produced of the person in question stealing said object they insist that the gremlin used magic to alter the footage, and now that the gremlin has set him up it disappeared without a trace and will never be heard from again.
In short; it’s frustrating when someone will heavily scrutinize a plausible scenario and demand more evidence, but will then go right around and accept an explanation that literally invokes magic without a second thought.
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Apostasy Reviews on Rotten Tomatoes ... Spot the JW LOL!
by Exelder inon rotten tomatoes, apostasy has 100% success from critics (very rarely that critics are unanimous in their approval of a film) and 97% from the audience.
i have loved reading the reviews as they are almost all ex jw's but there is one glaring review that is almost certainly from one active jw who is pleading that the film be banned, even though they haven't actually seen it (typical) and it made me laugh:.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/apostasy_2017/reviews/?type=user.
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