I must say they are a most impressive mind control society, to with the same mouth say they have always been gods chosen organization directed by Holy Spirit, and then say you can not use our old words, that is apostate. It's utterly dumbfounding.
FayeDunaway
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Watchtower June 15 2015, Misleading Reference to Past Statement...
by BluesBrother inif this has been posted up before, then i missed it...... they call this organization "the truth" so we might expect it to be accurate .
they themselves they have previously championed honesty :.
live with jehovahs day in mind (2006) p115 par 9.
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Why only 7 or 8 members on the Governing Body?
by Gilgamesh innow and then someone hears a rumor that the gb might go with 12 members instead of the 8 (or now 7) they currently have.
the value of 12 is understandable, which might even drive the rumors every time they plan to add another 4 or 5 new persons to the gb helpers list.
of course, a rumor that steals their thunder may also promote a delay, even if true.. i'm sure this quote from the watchtower was previously commented upon as a good explanation for the watch tower's best reason to leave the number at 7 or 8:.
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FayeDunaway
I just realized I actually have this right next to my bed! Am looking at sirach now. It's in the good news bible (catholic)
sirach 37:13,14,15
trust your own judgment, no one's advice is more reliable. Sometimes your own intuition can tell you more than seven watchmen on a high tower. Above all, pray to the most high that he will show you the right thing to do.
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Watchtower June 15 2015, Misleading Reference to Past Statement...
by BluesBrother inif this has been posted up before, then i missed it...... they call this organization "the truth" so we might expect it to be accurate .
they themselves they have previously championed honesty :.
live with jehovahs day in mind (2006) p115 par 9.
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FayeDunaway
The reason they want all their old books confiscated/destroyed is so they can create their own past and rewrite their own history without evidence to contest it. -
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Memorial - Most depressing holiday ever?
by nevaagain inwe - as in we jws - say that the memorial is our only holiday.back in my young days when i was still living at home, my mom would buy us (or as we got older and made our own money, make us buy) new suits for the memorial.
my mom would put on her best dress which she probably only bought for the memorial.
she would say, it is our only holiday so we should dress special for it.
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FayeDunaway
It IS the most depressing holiday ever! Their only holiday is not a holiday, but a meaningless ritual. After leaving, I was really impressed with what normal churches do at Easter and leading up to it. I had no idea. It is what I was missing the whole time. If any of you are up to it next year, (and not too anti religion), try the Holy Week at a church in your area. Or even start with Ash Wednesday, about forty days before Easter. It's the complete experience. Holy Week is the week before Easter, and you can go to thursday or good friday services, depending on the church. Some churches also have Easter eve services, which I havent tried yet. But anyway, this is a walk through of Jesus' last hours. It's like the memorial should be. But THEN you actually celebrate the resurrection too! He is risen. Easter Sunday is so joyous, with horns, organ, full choir. I LOVE it. -
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Reports of lower memorial attendance
by thedepressedsoul ini have heard a lot of reports from kingdom halls in the area that there was less than last year, for both time slots.. we had the first time slot and we were down 50+/- compared to last year.
last year we had the lobby full of people standing and this year we had empty seats and no one standing.
we ran out of parking last year and this year we made it.. like i said i am hearing quite a few reports of this from halls in our area.however, somehow the number seem to inch up every year.
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FayeDunaway
I'm thinking anyone who would have ever possibly responded to the tract campaign would have already tried it and seen what a miserable experience the memorial is. Especially if you have to STAND while being told you can't partake, it's only for a few blah blah blah...compared to other churches this is ridiculous. -
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How many members left the Watchtower because of all the Hatred and Anti-christian behavior? Were you exposed to betrayal, lies and slander against your family?
by PokerPlayerPhil ini am trying to wrap my head around 2014 and all the evil we experienced while the elders and overseer said "wait on jehovah because that's what all the true believers do!
" and i explained it's too painful to see the wicked people who brought my family suffering giving talks and providing other witness families with instruction we are to use when the end comes.
why are the quite members those who get treated like trash while members who call down evil upon the organization get everything they want so they will keep their mouths shut?.
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FayeDunaway
I am very sorry, iown, and everyone here that was deeply, personally burned by individual, or groups, of witnesses. While those things never happened to me, and my only complaints (tho they are strong!) are against the highest leaders and doctrine and policy and culture of the religion, I fully understand that I was simply lucky in knowing mostly wonderful people all of my life. I did see these personal attacks happen in many other congregations and to my friends, but they did not happen to me in my congregations.
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Hospitality hour?
by Lynnie inso i just talked with my jw mom and of course she had a very busy weekend with the memorial and then sunday meeting.
then she said that she went to a hospitality hour after the sunday meeting.
has anyone heard of this?
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FayeDunaway
It's seriously stupid they don't have kitchens/fellowship rooms at kh's. Why not?? Is all that friendly socializing a distraction from field service? they could have potlucks....I mean..... everybody bring a dish dinners! Memorial service meals right on site instead of having to travel! And yes, coffee after the meeting!! I guess it's all just too much unfathomable fun.
I don't see it happening. Plus, they would have to write a thousand page rule book if they had a kitchen and fellowship hall on site.
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Why only 7 or 8 members on the Governing Body?
by Gilgamesh innow and then someone hears a rumor that the gb might go with 12 members instead of the 8 (or now 7) they currently have.
the value of 12 is understandable, which might even drive the rumors every time they plan to add another 4 or 5 new persons to the gb helpers list.
of course, a rumor that steals their thunder may also promote a delay, even if true.. i'm sure this quote from the watchtower was previously commented upon as a good explanation for the watch tower's best reason to leave the number at 7 or 8:.
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FayeDunaway
Gilgamesh...cuz I'm feeling lazy, can you tell me what is Ecclesiasticus? Im guessing it is apocrypha? Do you know when it was written? That quote is so interesting, what a crazy coincidence :). -
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Worst Memorial Talk Ever!
by The Searcher ini honestly have never heard such claptrap being delivered in a memorial talk.. the speaker repeatedly put down the way other religions administered the bread & wine, and claimed that witnesses do it exactly as the bible describes.
oh yeah????.
he forgot to mention - when reading aloud 1 corinthians 11:25 - that after passing the bread, a full meal was to be shared, before the wine was passed around!
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FayeDunaway
Funny they would say Holy Spirit prayers couldn't be written....when the bible was written by Holy Spirit!
one of my pet peeves as a witness was how brothers used to obviously NOT be praying to God, but showing off how well they had listened to the meeting, reviewing the talks, as if God needed to hear that again...or emphasizing a particular point they wanted to make sure someone heard, talking to the cong, not God. It was all a joke, really, and then at the end they would say something as IF they had been talking to God to wrap it up. I hated it all. So happy to be OUT. Faded, done, and away. :)
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Pregnant women refuses blood
by Giordano inhttp://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.
a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.
more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .
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FayeDunaway
Extremely sad situation. Do witnesses even realize the HORRIBLE 'witness' this gives to the whole hospital, the city of Sydney, and whoever reads this case worldwide? their stupid blood policy not only kills people but shows how heartless they are, and no amount of door knocking or cart sitting will undo it.