Posts by twinkletoes

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Secrets of JW Elder Power

by Amazing in

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several days ago i posted a topic about how the newly reinstated could be disfellowshipped again for failing to attend meetings or particiapte in field service.

(this was based on the issue of lacking works that befit repentance.

) i used cautionary language about how this ""can"" happen, but was accused of making "dogmatic assertions" and that the organization book and the flock book never authorize such, and most of all the s-77 form sent into the society would trigger a co visit were it to state such things.

twinkletoes

You are all so right about the power of the COs.

The cong. that I used to go to, were trying to buy a property (for a new KH), but one CO advised them against it because it wasn't suitable for disabled ones, (the meeting room was upstairs with no lift, only stairs), so the elders waited until we had a change of CO, and lo and behold the next CO was just the man ! He gave his blessing on the purchase of the hall, and to this day the disabled ones have to sit downstairs in a foyer-type room, with people going backward and forwards to the toilets and having very little association with others. Christianity ???

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144,000 (yeah, I know)

by ThirdEye in

ok, so you believe that only 144,000 people will be in heaven at the end.

but, in revelations 7, it says that 144,000 from all the tribes of israel will stand be for the lamb and the throne of god.

and the it goes on to say the 12,000 from each tribe.

twinkletoes

Welcome to the board thirdeye, good to hear your comments.

It is interesting that all of the book of Revelation is symbolic, except of course the 144,000 !! I look forward to more comments on this one.

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Will any disrupt meetings & assemblies?

by Dismembered in

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as the ranks of jw's continue to deplete, what are your thoughts on meetings and assemblies being disrupted or heckled by angry ones as more eyes become open to this cult and the damage it has done.. anyone?.

dismembered

twinkletoes

I've recently spoken (privately) to friends and family (even my own brother) - all JWs - about the UN scandal etc, but flabbergasted at their lack of interest, so I really don't think that anything would be achieved by a verbal outburst at meetings or assemblies, (eventhough I feel very much inclined to do this) I agree with others on the forum, that it would only strengthen their opinion of ones that had left the congregation.

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Data Protection Act (?)

by teejay in

a quote from panorama that i found very interesting:

what they did was keep a record of her fathers name and confession on a church database, a register of suspected and convicted paedophiles to be monitored.

we asked alison cousins to obtain a copy of her records using the data protection act ... there in black and white was proof that the jehovahs witnesses had known for three years that her father was a self confessed paedophile.

twinkletoes

Thanks for that info Simon - yes, it's quite an eyeopener that they are charging the maximum.

As a registered charity it doesn't seem right, surely they should pay tax on this sort of income!!

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Data Protection Act (?)

by teejay in

a quote from panorama that i found very interesting:

what they did was keep a record of her fathers name and confession on a church database, a register of suspected and convicted paedophiles to be monitored.

we asked alison cousins to obtain a copy of her records using the data protection act ... there in black and white was proof that the jehovahs witnesses had known for three years that her father was a self confessed paedophile.

twinkletoes

I have recently requested a copy of any information that is held on their files, using the Data Protection Act.

I got a letter back (quite speedily!) requesting ten pounds (UK) and proof of identity. I have sent oft the money and am awaiting the info.

Perhaps they are receiving such a lot of requests that they are now charging for this service.

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CANADIAN COURT CASE ON CHILD ABUSE

by hawkaw in

this is to alert all folks in canada and the united states that a civil court case will be going to trial on september 8, 2002 in the greater toronto area.

again this case is a civil case and not a criminal case.

the case involves one vicki boer who now resides in eastern canada.

twinkletoes

Hello Vicky and husband. If we lived nearer we would certainly come and support you, we are in England, just a few miles too far away!!

We will be thinking of you both on the day, and may Jehovah give you the strength for the battle ahead!

well done Twink

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

twinkletoes

Thanks Hawkaw

I've made a note of the information, and will phone them

Also thanks for your offer of a photocopy, but as you will understand, I really want an original - everyone is suspicious of photocopies or anthing from the internet!

twinkle

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

twinkletoes

Hi everyone,

Can anyone help me - I have tried phoning the Ohio UN depository library as suggested in an earlier post, and asked if they could give me some phone numbers of similar outlets in England, where I could purchase a 2001/2002 NGO Directory. They gave me the phone numbers for the London School of Economics and the British Library but I still haven't managed to get a book. I have also phoned the HMSO (Her Majesty's Stationery Office - I think) but they do not have one in stock - they said that if I could get the ISBN( bar code /ref number) then they might be able to locate one on their computer and order one for me.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Quotes from Panorama tonight...

by termite 35 in

love to all those victims on tonights programme; what courageous children and teenagers you are.thanks to bill bowen who came across as the voice of calm reason.

the panorama child abuse programme has just finished.

the elders and ted jaraz(gb) were made to look like inarticulate, weak, men with a lot to hide...which of course they are.

twinkletoes

Today my husband went along to the KH - the letter was read out by the P O, who in his usual arrogant manner told the bro. on the sound not to record the reading of the letter. I have managed to get a copy of the tape from a neighbouring congregation. Tonight we watched the Panorama programme - thank goodness for brave people like William Bowen and all those poor children who have been abused. Thanks go to Panorama for exposing these so called "Christians", I feel ashamed to see friends and nieghbours who know us as witnesses, (over thirty years as JWs). Perhaps the next scandal will be - How have the WTBS amassed all of that money, perhaps they have shares in more companies than we know about.

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So...how to get UN NGO book

by Xander in

i know i've seen reference to the un ngo listing document somewhere.

as i recall, the '2002' edition was published before the wtbts withdrew from the un, such that they were still listed in it.

now, my family (all good jws) are insisting we come over for my mom's anniversary and i'm, like, 100% sure they are planning on bringing up our recent very obviously anti-jw behavior.

twinkletoes

I have been a JW for over thirty years - I am totally disgusted with all the things that are happening now. About one month ago I wrote to the UN and requested a booklet showing that the WTBS were in fact registered as an NGO and also a copy of the criteria in force (when they first joined), I enclosed a cheque for ten pounds to cover the cost of admin and postage. I hadn't heard from them, so last week I phoned the UN in New York (I'm in England) and was told by a man in the DPI dept. (NGO section) that after receiving around 600 requests for this information, they had to decided not to reply to any more requests, they couldn't keep up with the volume of work, he said that they are receiving thousands of phone calls about all of this.

I too would prefer to have the original documents direct from the UN, as Bros. and Sisters treat anything that's been printed from a computer as apostate !!!

I have just heard that half an hour of the meeting on Sunday is to given to the reading of a letter from the WTBS and that all of the congregation are encouraged to be present. I wonder what they are going to come clean about - UN involvment, child molesters, shares in bomb making companies, the list goes on !!!

Hello to everyone, this is the first time I have posted but have been reading all the comments with great interest over the past few months.