i'm writing a book and i need your input.
i'm trying to determin if more people are born into the borg or are converted.
and if they are converted what religion they were before they became a witness.. so please answer these questions.. 1. were you raised a witness?.
1. Were you raised a witness? NO
2. What religion if any were your before you became a witness? Catholic
3. Did you know the person that taught studied with you? yes - Friend.
4. Were you a initially contacted by the door to door ministry? No - neighbour
5. Were you df'd before you started questioning the BORG? No
6. What was the big thing that made you take the first step into questioning the Borg and start you on your way out? United Nations-NGO stuff
Twink
hello friends,.
since i'm not going to the memorial for the first time since i've became a witness, i wanted to post my "j dub" life story as a form of therapy.. i guess i'm posting this here, also, as sort of a refreshment for others who taken this road.
after much study, i've finally disassociated myself - in my heart at least.
Hi Confuzcious
I really appreciated your "life story", and can honestly say that my husband was treated in very similar manner. Over thirty years a JW and not made a MS or Elder - If you face doesn't fit then you have no chance, it certainly isn't anything to do with spiritual qualifications.
Please post from time to time as many more new ones are coming on this forum and would benefit from your comments. We have two very dear friends who have recently come out of the Org. They will be getting their very first computer tomorrow and are looking forward to reading all the comments on this forum !
Best wishes
Twink (& hubby Kaytee)
can anyone tell me if the "position" of presiding overseer is one which changes every few years or is it now a "life time position".
my old congregation has recently had a visit from the co and the po appears to have been removed - could be very interesting :).
twink
Thanks to all for the quick response
I have printed out the info thanks MacHisslop!
Probably what I haven't made too clear, is that this Presiding Overseer has not (as far as we know) been removed as an elder, but he has been replaced as P O by another elder - one who in our opinion is an awful person, a real liar who has upset many in the congregation.
This action of replacing the P O was taken shortly after the visit from the C O and after our letter requesting details of UN involvement etc. We had already waited 6 months for the Society and two elders to get back to us with the answers, and so this letter was requesting answers within 14 days, failing that we said that our conscience would no longer allow us to be associated with the organisation. Of course they didn't reply to us with any answers but waited the 14 days and then briefly said that they would take our names of the cong. local records.
We are now being shunned by JWs, as if we were the guilty ones !!!! when in fact all we have done is to ask questions, using only the WT information
thanks again
TWINK
i had a big conversation with a presiding overseer and brooklyn bethelite who called me after 8 years (since i left).
he invited me to the memorial and i explained why we are no longer jws citing the jw's investment in rand corporation as the number 1 reason.
he married my husband and i and we were once very close.
Hello Zenpuk
We had been through the same discussions with elders and other bros. & sisters.
My husband put the question on this forum in October 2002 (alias KAYTEE)
We had lots of help, especially from Gerard, If you go to the top of the page and search on Gerard, you will find KAYTEE's question (Oct 02) and from there you will see all of the scanned info and other comments, it was very useful for us and I'm sure that you will find it helpful.
I certainly hope that your parents realise just how hypocritical the witnesses really are - we were in for 32 years and are still in a "state of shock" realising how we were duped for that period of time.
Twink
ok, advice please.
i just bought a red layered dress.
i don't know how to explain it completely, but it is a red chiffon and a copy of a very famous german styler.
Goofy
A RED DRESS !!
That brings back memories of a day spent at the circuit assembly when a few sisters were doing a demonstration, I can't remember what it was all about now, but I remember that a "young sister" was asking an "older sister" if she thought this dress in a shop window would be suitable for the ministry work, and the comment was - well it's a bit too short and just look at the colour - bright red (horror in the voice), I couldn't help but feel sorry for sisters sitting in the audience who were wearing red, and there were quite a number of them.
Isn't it amazing how they can even tell you what colour to wear or not to wear, brain control at it's best!
Twink
can anyone tell me if the "position" of presiding overseer is one which changes every few years or is it now a "life time position".
my old congregation has recently had a visit from the co and the po appears to have been removed - could be very interesting :).
twink
Thanks Gopher
In light of your indormation, I think that there must have been a number of complaints about the P.O. in question, as he isn't really in a situation where he could no longer serve the congregation, so I guess he must have been removed due to some wrongdoing. Of course, we are now being shunned as we have handed in our ultimatum letter, (which included complaints against this brother) so it's quite difficult to try to find out what really happened, do they have to make an announcement when they remove the Presiding Overseer, they are quick in announcing the ordinary brothers and sisters, when situations arise !
thanks
Twink
can anyone tell me if the "position" of presiding overseer is one which changes every few years or is it now a "life time position".
my old congregation has recently had a visit from the co and the po appears to have been removed - could be very interesting :).
twink
Can anyone tell me if the "position" of presiding overseer is one which changes every few years or is it now a "life time position"
My old congregation has recently had a visit from the CO and the PO appears to have been removed - could be very interesting :)
thanks
Twink
i was speaking to hubby tonight.
i was explaining why i can't and won't go back to the kh.
i tried to explain my feelings as best i could without annoying him or making him feel upset.
Rebel,
I'm so sorry to hear of the problems. One thing that really concerns me is how JWs can be told about the Watchtower's involvement with the United Nations and accept it without batting an eyelid. We have written personally to a number in our old congregation and given them copies of the letter from the UN confirming this association, yet it doesn't seem to bother them. I have sent the info to my own brother (JW) but he said he didn't want to discuss it ! How did your husband accept this, have you spoken to him about it ? I can honestly say that it was the very first thing that made us sit up and take note, and from there we obtained Ray Franz's book and realised just what was really going on.
Twink
i'm so curious!
if you see this, sign your name and your location if you want, cuz i wanna know how many people actively view this!
^_^
Kaytee and Twinkletoes from England
on another thread, princess has raised a very important point for all ex-dubs and fadeaways.apparently when you register and fill in the religious affiliation blank they give that info to the elders if they ask.
if you are a "repeat customer" i.e.
you're booking in at a hospital that you've previously been admitted to, there will be pre-existing details on their database about you.
Thanks Ozzi
This is a good reminder - I must sort out our records cards at the doctor's surgery as well as dentist and hospital too.
Twink
