Posts by ExBethelitenowPIMA

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I do not understand the universal issue anymore

by psyco in

to explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.

am i crazy?.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

That’s not the illustration the JWs use.

They say the Bible says the Satan challenged the right to rule in Eden. He implied that independent rule from God would be better.

The illustration is that a rebellious student challenged the teacher at least by implying that his was not the best way.

God the teacher could throw him out of the class, but then the rebellious ones could claim they were right.

So he lets them try it their way. They have to be given enough time so that nobody can claim in the future that if they had longer then independent rule from God could work

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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Peaceful Pete did you think back in high school one day they would find something that would prove the theory of evolution?

I have given up hope now, I think if there was something to be found it would have been found by now.

If it all happened of bullion of years the there should be evidence.

But no, all fossils of creatures not extinct yet are exactly the same as current species. There is no evidence of evolution in the fossil record.

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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

peacefulpete34 minutes ago

If evolution could be proved then it should be very simple and easy to prove.

My TV is real but don't expect a simple easy explanation for how it works

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It is easy to prove your TV didn’t come about by chance🤭

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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

peacefulpetean hour ago

Im the kind of person who if I’m told there is a red car in the garage then I won’t either believe or not believe it’s there until I see it.

Good for you. Now go check the garage

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I have been checking for decades. Many times there has been an announcement that the missing link has been found or finally they have found a half monkey half human fossil, but it’s always been debunked as fake

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Young "Elders"

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

ever since the annual meeting last october and the letter to bodies of elders stating that "exceptional young men perhaps in their early 20's could qualify for appointment as elders.." it even states this in the updated elders manual!

have any of you pimo's, pimq's, or those on here with family/friends still in hear of any young men being appointed as elders yet?

i am talking 21, 22, 23, 24 etc.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

PIMQ, is the Q standing for questioning?

I guess that’s very similar to PIMA mentally agnostic?

but it sounds like PIMQ is an early stage before you end up like me PIMA.

and to answer your questions no I’ve not heard of anyone in their early 20s becoming elders yet.

I wonder how they would cope with all the emotional problems in the congregations these days? It really does take a toll trying to keep up with shepherding.

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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

There are two kinds of scientists those who seek the truth and those who seek to control the truth.

Like you I can dismantle any of the evolution origin of life theories but I would be very happy to jump that side of the fence if proof could be presented.

Im the kind of person who if I’m told there is a red car in the garage then I won’t either believe or not believe it’s there until I see it.

If evolution could be proved then it should be very simple and easy to prove. Instead it’s always overly complex explanatory attempts that really do go along the lines of only intelligent people can understand so just trust us scientists

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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

cofty39 minutes ago

ExB - you are intellectually dishonest. Enjoy life in your self- imposed thought bubble

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Thats exactly what I thought about you but I wouldn’t voice it.

can you explain why you think I’m in a thought bubble when I openly declare I’m agnostic? This means if I see proof I will jump that side of the fence. Please show me irrefutable proof and I will not be agnostic anymore.

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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

How can Exactly the same sort of genetic evidence that is used every day to prove paternity prove evolution?

the emperor’s clothes really are beautiful even though I can’t see them myself other people say so

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Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

That 40 pieces of evidence is exactly the emperor’s new clothes. Just believe he has clothes on because we say he does.

I like to think I have critical thinking skills.

Please give me the one best possible piece of evidence of evolution

not 40 vague ones, just the one best one?

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Nicolas King: the clues continue

by neat blue dog in

former jw chorus member, original song performer and jw movie actor by day (and nightclub singer by night, not a bethelite & never was) nicolas king still hasn't come out about his sexuality or 'spiritual standing', although the clues have been accumulating for some time.

some new ones to add to the list...... you might remember fellow jw singer alex ashley, with whom he partnered last year for a concert.. .

well later that year (2022) alex ashley posted this intriguing message to facebook:.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

The funny thing was his character he played in the JW movie was pro gay.

His lines were all about acceptance and tolerance. As long as you do no harm then accept whatever 🤭