Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

ExBethelite,

No, I disagree. Jesus is to become king of the Messianic kingdom over the earth. God is Sovereign of the Universe.

God’s kingship of the universe is to time indefinite, even forever (Ps. 10:16a; 29:10b; 146:10 NW; Jer. 10:7, 10; Zech. 14:9, 17; 1 Tim. 1:17; cf. Rev. 15:3; 19:6). Jesus’ Messianic kingship is to have an enduring future, i.e., a thousand years (Ps. 45:6, 17; 1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 20:3, 4).

yes Jesus is king of Gods kingdom. It makes sense looking at Rev 9:11 that Jesus would be called the king over them.

Jesus is the angel with the keys to the abyss this is clear and concrete

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

“And why would God allow Satan the keys of the abyss? Won’t help locking him in the abyss if he has the keys. He would also not allow Jesus to be resurrected if he was in control of the keys (cf. Rom. 10:7; Rev. 20:1, 2).”

Of course God would allow Jesus the keys to the abyss? I don’t know why you would say God would not let Jesus be in control of the abyss????

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

ExBethelitenowPIMA

These days AI can do most translations for free, I know it’s not very good but it’s getting better by the day.

try Google translate to start with and a few of the other free ones then you could try one of the ones you pay for which are far better

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

jw
friends

note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Email will not have the same effect

real letters if they are well done will have a great effect

my guess is he is still a believer only just but lots of questions now and he feels many things are not quite right. He is bound to be bitter.

this is the time for him to receive lots encouragement and for him to feel he is not alone, there is a huge community of people who understands what he is going through and we are there for him

I would support a crowd fund to help him get his thoughts out there

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Revelation 20:1-3 show it is definitely Jesus himself who is the angel with the key to the abyss.

Jesus is the one who has been appointed king of them and actually king over everything in the universe.

Jesus was the one who had a battle with Satan and the demons and who defeated them in heaven and cast them to the earth.

Jesus is king over them in the sense that they are his prisoners and he is Abaddon the destroyer the one who holds they key to the abyss and will let them out for a short time after 1000years, then he will destroy them completely the second death which there is no coming back from

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

It’s always a good idea to compare translations

king James

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Revelation 9:11

ESVThey have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.

NIVThey had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

NASBThey have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon.

CSBThey had as their king the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

NLTTheir king is the angel from the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is [Abaddon,] and in Greek, [Apollyon]--the Destroyer.

KJVAnd they had a king over them, which isthe angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
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I can see why some people may think this angel with the key to the abyss could be Satan, by way would Satan hold the key to the abyss? That doesn’t make sense. What does make sense is that Jesus would hold the key to the abyss and Satan is in there with his demons.

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Know your flock

by road to nowhere in

wife sick longtime, in hospital now.

elduhs came when i was out.

informed her there is a zoom provision, which she has used 3 years now.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

I know why they did that, all of us elders have been told to make sure everyone is displaying their name and if possible their pictures on zoom.

elders at the meeting are told to actually sign into zoom during the meeting at KH and check who is there and who is not in their group. Then they make notes and at the next elders meeting they say who is on zoom and if they are really able to come to the meetings.

Cancer, serious illness can’t be milked forever so we are told

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Put me down for 499 for august

I think he will lose another 10% by September patreoff 👏

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Kingdom Services Selling Old Junk

by Chevelle in

what a pathetic state if affairs.. https://used-tools-equipment.com/.

are they really this clueless and desperate?.

most organizations would just toss this stuff in the trash bin..

ExBethelitenowPIMA

The old London Bethel which has been sold to a Jewish millionaire are still selling off junk to this day.

Watchtower House on the Ridgeway has been sold but the new owner has made some kind of a deal to have JWs still look after the place.

apparently there are around 30 volunteers everyday doing maintenance and security and maybe slowly dismantling and selling off all the old equipment there.

it’s mostly sold on eBay, yes watchtower has many eBay accounts and they always say free delivery and ask volunteers from local congregations to do all the deliveries 🤦‍♂️

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

The account in Luke where Jesus asks them what is their name and they say Legon as we are many, this account shows Jesus is the angel with the key to the abyss.

they are frightened of him that he will throw them into the abyss now?

is there more than one angel with the key to the abyss? Both Jesus and Abaddon are two entities? No I think they are one and the same.

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