the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.
absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.
i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.
When you say you called Tony Morris last month I find this extremely interesting
You do know about Tony don’t you? And yet you claim you can just call him on his phone anytime you want.
Could you please call him again and record the conversation, ask what is really going on
the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.
absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.
i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.
The point is this has been a massive change.
This latest new change in the Elders book a few weeks ago has been one of the largest changes in recent history.
As long as everyone knows about the change then there should be no more JCs and no more shunning.
To a certain extent everyone may feel suicidal if they have a JC and face the possibility of shunning from everyone they know.
Every single case no matter what could say they would be suicidal if they had a JC and were going to be shunned.
the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.
absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.
i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.
Easyprompt I am an experienced elder, I have been in Bethel for many years and I suspect I know far more than you. As my name suggests I’m now out of Bethel but I go back there all the time. I was there at Chelmsford again recently.
Can I ask you what makes you think you know so much? Have you only recently been out or has it been a long time?
Can you tell me any Bethel Elders you know of on the service desk or on the Branch committee?
You sound like you do know some higher ups please tell me their names because I probably worked with them for years
the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.
absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.
i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.
So pretending to be suicidal could be an out for somw....but who is going to tell them? And on the other hand, some may not become suicidal until after the JC and being kicked out or otherwise made feel worthless
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100% correct. Part of the big changes these days is individual Elders realising they may be cast out to the dogs, the Borg will distance themselves and are quite happy to have individual Elders as fall guys.
The new Elders book latest update in last few weeks says if suicidal then no JD should take place. This is like the small print get out clause to protect the corporation and throw the individual Elder under the bus.
problem for the Borg is individual Elders are also waking up and don’t want to be thrown under the bus. No Elder on the body wants to take responsibility and claim the sinner is not suicidal and then the person attempts suicide.
The Borg will claim they didn’t follow the direction and went beyond what is written.
No Elder wants to take that weight on, they will always say “I can’t say or certain that they are not suicidal so I can’t say for certain if we can have a JD”
the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.
absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.
i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.
Yes it’s kind of always been the case but It’s got even stronger and made more clear recently.
It used to be that the JC was kind of formed but then was held off until the sinner was no longer suicidal. The change now is that the JC will not even be formed or go ahead in any way until the elder body is absolutely certain the sinner is not in any way suicidal. Who on earth would take responsibility for that claim?
how can the elders ever find out that they said they were suicidal when they were not really? There is no way someone could accuse another of that, it’s treading on very thin ice.
many times a suicidal attempt is just a cry for help or indeed to prove someone else wrong who said they are not really suicidal
the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.
absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.
i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.
The way the Borg works is these super fine apostles make these new direction rules at the top, who have no experience of real life never been parents or done a days work in the real world. They have no idea what things are like today having to get an education to be able to cope with the high cost of living.
They have this very high ideal in mind that they think everyone is almost there and they just need a little encouragement to get up there where they think everyone should be.
unfortunately things are not like that in the real world. Things have changed. Now people are struggling with cost of living crisis, mental health problems and to stick to this ideal is unrealistic
This new direction not have JDs if suicidal suspicion changes everything. They think the elders talking to them will be enough for them to stop whatever it was and carry on striving to reach this high level that nobody can ever reach.
It’s actually very comforting to everyone especially parents of teenagers. If there is a slip up just have to say the magic words “I feel so terrible that I’ve even considered ending it all”
then nothing else will happen. No JD so no way disfellowship and no more shunning.
the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.
absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.
i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.
The new direction in the new elders book is very clear. Absolutely no JD if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.
this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a JW and the shunning that accompanied it.
So what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a JD and they say there is suicidal thoughts?
I can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book. Even if it makes no sense whatsoever.
So someone could be living immoral lifestyle continues sex outside of marriage. Or they could be smoking or drugs use, or they could indeed be guilty of apostasy according to the Borg but they would not be allowed to have a JC because doing so may make them feel suicidal.
will there be new direction about these situations?
i want to take a moment to salute rick fearon, an "apostate" near boston massachusetts usa who more than 17 years ago started the sixscreens telenetwork on youtube.
you can find it here: https://www (dot) youtube (dot) com/ (at) araretreat/streams.. like our benevolent host simon green here at jehovahs-witness.com, rick has not done his great work for his own financial enrichment or to collect followers for himself, as some xjw grifters have done and continue to do.. saturdays and sundays are the busy days at six screens, with call-in programs like:.
* jw world news.
Thinking about all those long term apostates and those who left JWs a long long time ago, where is it all going?
What do you want to achieve and accomplish?
someone leaving now, and they become apostates what do they want now?
the change with no more judicial committees if you say you are suicidal is huge
could someone be actively apostate and suicidal so remain in the cong?
could someone be openly PIMO or at least PIMA and say they are suicidal so they can keep coming to meetings?
this ex brother says about half of disfellowshipped ones are suicidal at about 43 minutes into this video https://youtube.com/watch?v=otcdksnf4zo&feature=sharec.
it really is that brutal having your family and friends shun you that many unfortunately do actually take their own lives including steve letts nephew.. no wonder the drastic change in the elders book to not have any more judicial committees if suspected it would make them suicidal.. this is probably one of the largest changes in recent history that most rank and file don’t know about yet.. how it will work in practice i just don’t know.
what if someone keeps sinning but says it’s weakness not wickedness and they are suicidal?
From now on there will be hardly anyone getting disfellowshipped as long as they know about the change
original reddit post (removed).
So i watch the Sushi how to figt porn ... made a video about it , with the 2022 livestream L.E, and then the 2023 L.E, side by side, both saying :
your not allowed to masturbate, your not allowed to be gay, your not allowed to have sex before mariage,and your not allowed to maried someone who is not a JW...
Yep! OOPS! he did it again... and OOPS i now will also do it again...
The man he's NOT a JW anymore , he's been out for more than 10 years! now.He can masturbate how much how he want's ( never stop him when he was a JW by the way so why stop now?) Want to be gay? LGTBQ + trans,be my guess ! Can't be a drag queen with that noose though sorry, he can now have ALL the SEX ( and boy did he have) , Before,During, and After mariage ! And good new mister Evans if you get a divorce you can remaried , wait I can't write and laugh at the same time...🤣🤣🤣''maried ''... anybody you want now ! even a man if you want ! Wait? Is gay mariage legal in croatia ? Nah I'll google that later .don't want to loose my momentum, so now my question is for you Mister evans? What are you whining about? News flash to mister Evans : YOUR NOT A JW NO MORE! Get over it!
By the way now that your finally ''allowed'' to do all this ... How's it working for you ? Happier? Your life must be GREAT now ,right? Bless his heart...
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So now he is allowed to all things that he was suppressed from doing, he can now watch porn, regularly hire sex workers and now he can take drugs that the Watchtower so wrongly suppressed him from doing.
he can now betray his wife and his family as much as he likes as often as he likes now he is free from the chains that Watchtower restraining kept him from doing.
how is that working out for you Lloyd?
Ive said it before and I will say it again he is the ultimate poster boy for Watchtower the more he messes up his life the best advertising for the Borg.
There will be a study article one day with an experience of a brother who left, his name has been changed as they always do.
He betrayed his wife by regularly visiting prostitutes which left him feeling suicidal.
once his kids were old enough they found out what a scum bag their father was and couldn’t stand the sight of him.
he made content saying how much better his life is now that he doesn’t live by the Bible but all those who looked at his life realised that leaving the Bible is what has messed up his life so much.
I can see the ultimate end that Lloyd will take his own life. It’s very sad to see.
