Posts by ExBethelitenowPIMA

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Know your flock

by road to nowhere in

wife sick longtime, in hospital now.

elduhs came when i was out.

informed her there is a zoom provision, which she has used 3 years now.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

“ wife needs her hope, even if it's a lie.”

This is such a profound line.

Even if the Bibles promises are all lies, or perhaps there is a bit of truth in them but we have the wrong understanding completely?

Im agnostic so will not commit either way. But this line “wife needs her hope, even if it's a lie” - this Could well apply to agnostics as well.

even if someone is fully PIMI all they have is a hope of the Bibles promises coming true. I have this hope as well being PIMA.

Im an elder and have some in my group who have not been to meetings for many years but occasionally come on zoom or come to the memorial. I’ve tried to arrange a shepherding visit and asked many times can we call round or invited them to witness gatherings but they never come.

I genuinely believe the hope that the Bibles promises give is a benefit and a comfort. I have this hope even though I’m open to the possibility that it’s just a book written by a bunch of men and maybe evolution is how the universe started.

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

jw
friends

note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

I love the way you say watchtower if you are reading this🤣

do you think there are brothers on the service desk who really are assigned to keep an eye on apostate stuff?

if that’s the case then surely they are not fully PIMI anymore?

I doubt anyone is assigned to view apostate things, but sure enough many of the top dogs do in secret.

how long has it been since the announcement about TOMO3? All these months I wonder if he has purposely not looked at anything at all about himself?

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Or maybe just maybe, the Bible is a book written by a bunch of men and they all had different ideas.

Im still agnostic so it could be Gods word or maybe it isn’t.

Rev 9:11 is a good example of vague cryptic words that don’t translate well and modern humans all have different ideas what it means and what it could all be.

Watchtower are very arrogant and now they have said that Abaddon is Jesus they are stubbornly sticking to it.

this really does show the cryptic nature of the scriptures and it can be bent or twisted to suit.

Watchtower think they are Gods one only channel on earth, and their 8 million followers truly are brainwashed into genuinely believing everything the GBody say without question.

If they say Abaddon is Jesus and not Satan then that is the end of it, it has been settled and all other Bible scholars are wrong because the governing body can never be wrong.

by the same token the vaccines are safe and effective because the governing body can never be wrong

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Easy yes you could be right, this is another case where watchtower disagrees with almost everyone else when they say Abaddon is Jesus.

one translation even says Abaddon came out of the Abyss so that doesn’t sound like Jesus?

rev9:11

?NLTTheir king is the angel from the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is [Abaddon,] and in Greek, [Apollyon]--the Destroyer

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Hahaha that’s hilarious I will remember that one.

They have always said he is a good un?

I think Watchtower have always said Abaddon was Jesus? Please show me if they ever say he was Satan.

pretty much every other Bible scholar thinks Abaddon is Satan

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

ExBethelite,

No, I disagree. Jesus is to become king of the Messianic kingdom over the earth. God is Sovereign of the Universe.

God’s kingship of the universe is to time indefinite, even forever (Ps. 10:16a; 29:10b; 146:10 NW; Jer. 10:7, 10; Zech. 14:9, 17; 1 Tim. 1:17; cf. Rev. 15:3; 19:6). Jesus’ Messianic kingship is to have an enduring future, i.e., a thousand years (Ps. 45:6, 17; 1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 20:3, 4).

yes Jesus is king of Gods kingdom. It makes sense looking at Rev 9:11 that Jesus would be called the king over them.

Jesus is the angel with the keys to the abyss this is clear and concrete

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

“And why would God allow Satan the keys of the abyss? Won’t help locking him in the abyss if he has the keys. He would also not allow Jesus to be resurrected if he was in control of the keys (cf. Rom. 10:7; Rev. 20:1, 2).”

Of course God would allow Jesus the keys to the abyss? I don’t know why you would say God would not let Jesus be in control of the abyss????

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

ExBethelitenowPIMA

These days AI can do most translations for free, I know it’s not very good but it’s getting better by the day.

try Google translate to start with and a few of the other free ones then you could try one of the ones you pay for which are far better

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

jw
friends

note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Email will not have the same effect

real letters if they are well done will have a great effect

my guess is he is still a believer only just but lots of questions now and he feels many things are not quite right. He is bound to be bitter.

this is the time for him to receive lots encouragement and for him to feel he is not alone, there is a huge community of people who understands what he is going through and we are there for him

I would support a crowd fund to help him get his thoughts out there

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Revelation 20:1-3 show it is definitely Jesus himself who is the angel with the key to the abyss.

Jesus is the one who has been appointed king of them and actually king over everything in the universe.

Jesus was the one who had a battle with Satan and the demons and who defeated them in heaven and cast them to the earth.

Jesus is king over them in the sense that they are his prisoners and he is Abaddon the destroyer the one who holds they key to the abyss and will let them out for a short time after 1000years, then he will destroy them completely the second death which there is no coming back from