So you agree not to make statements about science when you don't have the foggiest idea of what research has been done in this area? (Paranormal research has been going on for 100 years now... there is a LOT of it)
It really is an interesting topic. I suggest you read "Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. It's a fascinating read!
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113So how do you explain this....
by loosie ini didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.
but i wanted to open this up for discussion.
since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.
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So how do you explain this....
by loosie ini didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.
but i wanted to open this up for discussion.
since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.
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Science explains a lot about the human mind and empirical evidence has shown that it is very easy to trick the brain into false perceptions. It is also normal for us to create and modify memories. So science does not have to explain floating bodies unless there is some incotrovertible evidence that they exist (observation under controlled conditions). Until there is proof of floating bodies, psychological explanations are more than adequate.
There are so many video cameras in this world it's a wonder that nothing extraordinary like this has been captured. To hear some people talk, these things must be extremely common!
When I was a kid, my brother and I saw little demon shadows in my room. They seemed real at the time, but of course I now know that we were creating the perception with our suggestible state and superstitious beliefs. Interstingly as soon as I stopped believing, the experiences stopped. Don't you find that intriguing?
The point is that you can't really say much about "science" when you haven't taken the time to do the research. Pet theories about ghosts and gobblins are nothing but uneducated guesses that keep people from understanding the real nature of the phenomena.
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So how do you explain this....
by loosie ini didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.
but i wanted to open this up for discussion.
since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.
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That's easy to say if you have not thoroughly researched what "science" really has to say about the issue.
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So how do you explain this....
by loosie ini didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.
but i wanted to open this up for discussion.
since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.
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I used to believe in ghosts and all that when I was a kid. I actually experienced some weird shit. But as I matured and did some research on the paranormal I learned how impressionable the human mind is. Once I stopped believing in the paranormal I didn't have any more paranormal experiences.
That's not to say that I didn't have any more weird experiences... I just no longer interpreted them as paranormal. As recent as a year ago I had a sleep paralaysis episode. Had I still believed in ghosts it would only have solidified that belief. Since I don't believe in ghosts I was able to understand what was happening to me not jump to conclusions.
Having a deeper understanding of human phsychology and strange phenomenon does not make the world less wonderful. On the contrary, science has made the real world even more interesting and awesome to me. I find it unfortunate that most people don't have the same wonder and awe in the real world and have to rely on their imaginations to create an alternate reality to give them this.
It's almost like an adult who can't appreciate the beauty of winter without believing that Santa Claus is real.
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CAN MEN AND WOMEN JUST BE "FRIENDS"?
by Mary inor will one of them invaribly end up being attracted to the other?
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Sure! Women have no problem being friends and nothing more with me. Hmmm... maybe I'm doing something wrong? :)
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A question for Atheists
by IP_SEC inif you are an atheist, what are your thoughts on the afterlife?
mortality?
we are what we are until we die, then are no more?
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I believe an afterlife would be great! I also believe that pots of gold at the ends of rainbows would be wonderful too. Unfortunately I believe they are both very unlikely.
Consciousness is a great and wonderful mystery. Maybe some day we'll figure it out; maybe not. Knowing how something works doesn't necessarily spoil its beauty. Rainbows are still beautiful even though we know they are simply refracted light. Consciousness will continue to be awesome even after it's figured out.
One thing we do know about consciousness, though - it has something to do with the brain. It probably has nothing to do with a mysterious soul.
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Another "ghostly" experience last night!
by cindykp inok, if any of you have read the other thread about ghosts, you will remember that i dont care too much for them!
just a few minutes ago my daugter told me she had a weird one last night here in the house, where i have never had a problem.
she was in the bathroom brushing her teeth, and "one "of the holders on the counter that are all made of heavy glass, started shaking back and forth like crazy.
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Another possible explanation: A thin film of water may have gotten under the (probably already unstable) jar. Any slight disturbance (toothbrushing frequency) can cause the jar to slip and move on it's own. This happened to me at a Thai restaurant the other day. My tea cup just started moving all over the table all by itself. It was a bit unnerving, until I saw that the table was still wet from being cleaned and I was able to reproduce the effect by lightly pushing the teacup again. Sorry, no ghosts! :) rem
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Anyone in Northern California?
by TweetieBird injust wondering if there is anyone from northern california.
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I'm in San Francisco.
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Into the mystic (an experience).
by El blanko inthe following i wrote to a friend this morning and doctored slightly for this forum.
can any of you relate to this kind of mystical experience and if you would be kind enough, would you mind me quoting any experiences listed to my friend?
please be aware that the letter uses language to detach me away from the watchtower (thus church, instead of congregation etc).
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Hey, skeptics have feelings too! You know how it feels being the minority living in a superstitious world? You think you get scoffs? Just read the first few post on this thread... that's what I was responding to in the first place.
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Into the mystic (an experience).
by El blanko inthe following i wrote to a friend this morning and doctored slightly for this forum.
can any of you relate to this kind of mystical experience and if you would be kind enough, would you mind me quoting any experiences listed to my friend?
please be aware that the letter uses language to detach me away from the watchtower (thus church, instead of congregation etc).
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>>If only you were. Actually you're dogmatically asserting that folks are wrong, deluded, and potentially lying to themselves and others.
And you wonder at the reaction?
Where? Maybe some people just get in a huff when they find somebody rationally challenges their cherrished beliefs. It's human nature, I suppose.
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>>Her point of view based on her experience. Closed minded would be refusing to discuss it with you or to allow for any other explaination. Haven't seen that yet, have you?
Yes, I've seen a lot of that. I haven't seen too many believers allowing for other explanations. Really, how could they, since they already "know" what the cause of their experience is? :)
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