I haven't stopped by here in a while. All I have to say ( I didn't read all the comments) is 'Bless your little heart.' Backhanded intended! This is the slippery slope. May you survive it! Good luck.
Posts by caves
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51I am a proud Jehovah's Witness Defender
by Matthew Jefferson inmy name is matthew j and i have just ended my study with the jehovah's witnesses.
no, i did not stop studying because i believe the jehovah's witnesses are a 'cult', i left due to the minor beliefs that i hold that remain separate from the organization.
i called my elder who is still an amazing man and great counselor, affirming that i do not wish to continue my studying.
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Am I shunned here?
by caves inlately i been sifting though my many emotions after being here on this site.
i feel ive been all over the map just trying to come to grips with the information.
but through all this i feel i'm shunned here as of late due to my (all over the place =-ness).
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So what I'm seeing is that In truth , I nor anyone else matters much unless they are a part of ones life.
I didn't know what to expect when I signed up and started digging on here to help me get to the root a lot of jw trauma. I've lived in isolation for so long I find it hard to connect. That makes me feel alone. Im trying so hard.
I've definitely disagreed with opinions, then have seen the logic it. Sometimes not.
Only wanted to be excepted. But that comes from within. Even though the whole reason for going to sites like this is to feel excepted and connected and find the truth.
That why Im trying my best to talk this out with seasoned people that maybe felt a bit lost and jumped to conclusions at the beginning only to change there way of thinking on it later.
@Simon. I truley get what you are saying. Did you ever feel sorta lost at first when waking up to TTATT and needed or wanted guidance to be able to move further on your journey? Some people seem to see TTATT and then simply except it and move on like it was not a very big deal. I'm not that kind of person. Im still really struggling to just be, and I understand you may have been able to just ride it out relatively unscathed. I didn't.
@Steve-I got triggered a lot after the Leah Remini special and my head has been floating around in a fog. I guess I need to really grasp that most people just live there live from their point of view and thats that. That most people really dont care unless it directly affects them. Thats a very painful pill to swallow. Also I dont think Ive pissed anyone off and if I have and am capable of reconciliation I will do that.
You all seem so strong to me. I personally feel weak. Which does make for great target practice.
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Am I shunned here?
by caves inlately i been sifting though my many emotions after being here on this site.
i feel ive been all over the map just trying to come to grips with the information.
but through all this i feel i'm shunned here as of late due to my (all over the place =-ness).
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caves
Lately I been sifting though my many emotions after being here on this site.
I feel Ive been all over the map just trying to come to grips with the information. But through all this I feel I'm shunned here as of late due to my (all over the place =-ness).
Is this true. If its not can someone help me understand why I might feel this way. Thank you in advance.
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Thankful for our community of friends!
by stuckinarut2 ini just wanted to express a sincere thanks for the amazing community of friends we have built up thanks to sites like this.. the genuine people we can now call true friends is outstanding.. to all those who are newly awakening, or are just starting to contemplate a life outside of the jw bubble, please be reassured that you will indeed make good friends if you put yourself out there.. true,not every ex-jw will be an instant friend.
you will not click with everyone.
but as with life in general, if you put in the effort, a new circle of genuine friends exist out there!.
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caves
I have laughed, cried, got pissed, triggered, relieved, happy, felt validated, and so much more here. I needed to feel all these emotions in the raw. Sometimes it all gets to me because it cuts to close to the bone, but It is an extremely valuable place. I have learned and still am learning so much.
My life shifted when I came here. I am understanding myself in ways I never knew. Thank you to everyone.
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My Gay XJW Friend's Decision Concerning His Relationship With His Partner
by fulltimestudent ini've often spoken of my xjw friend and his younger chinese partner.
my friend was kicked out of yhwh's "clean" organisation when he was around 60. .
before he became a witness at around age 17-18, he did appreciate that he was attracted to other guys.
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@ fulltime-Ok, Well if we are going to throw in things under the Mosaic Law (old testament) then the whole thing is rather moot.
Having lots of wifes, equals and solidifies power. I think that is what that was mostly about. Not threesomes. No doubt they took place. As far as where Jacob put his dindong, with several women at once Im sure the last place he'd be looking was at their butt holes. (did I just type that, I cant breath)lol
Also about Jonathan, Who knows, maybe having so many wifes he needed , errr, something else to pass the time,love, lust? I cant possibly see how that fits into the OP. Unless the exdub older guy still needs some sort of permission or validation. Still quite a stretch.
Are humans really monogamous?- Depends on the human. And In this case, perhaps the circumstance.There there are many animal species that mate for life. Many that don't. I imagine the same with humans. Those are convos that two people need to talk about in regards their own relationship and how it applies to them.
@Dio-Caves my sweet darling I endevour to say, i may be wrong, you are young and ideslistic.
You might be right. Me young and Idealistic? What a compliment.
I guess I wish the older guy could just settle into the reality of his mortality with his partner 100% by his side and not dismissing his own need for love and human contact without pain of seeing his partner ready to be with another. If that makes me idealistic i'll take it. Although life may prove me wrong and change my perspective (and yes, sigh...I do see the perspective).
@ fulltime-I see a couple of red flags. One is the other guy going through a nasty divorce all while not even knowing if he's into the other guy or not. That is dangerous, and stress inducing to an already emotionally charged situation.
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Did you know Banks create money out of thin air?
by TerryWalstrom inbanks create money “out of thin air.”empirical studies have been undertaken to prove this thesis and this is the conclusion:.
in the 5,000 year history of banking, banks have been thought of as “deposit taking institutions which lend money”.. 1. what is the legal reality?
banks don’t take deposits and don’t lend money.the public is under this false impression on purpose because the language of banks is not legal language.. so--what is a “deposit”?a deposit is not actually a deposit.
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Nathan-The question we should be asking is "How can I be more like a bank and less like a schmuck?"
Had a friend that during the recession pull a magnificent stunt. She decided to stop paying her mortgage. This was in an area no one was buying , at all.The bank called and threatened. They sent people out to work with her. She just played like she was on board with the bank , never signed anything and then backed out each time. Finally the bank said that they were going to take her house away. She said "Go ahead but Im still going to live here and squat in my own house F off".
During that time she saved each of her payments to the final tune of 25,000 dollars. Enough for a down payment on another house easily.
She called the bank and said that they could come take it ( her husband gutted it, they were planning on a remodel anyway) and then the bank didn't want it after they saw it gutted. Absolutely nothing was moving in the area. So she tried (planned and fake) to force it back on the bank. lol. The bank jumped though hoops, forgave the missed payments and rearranged a new mortgage 2/3 less than what she was paying monthly with a lower interest rate. She made 25,000. The remodel cost 8,000. She always said that she was going to do her part to make the bank pay since taxpayers are the ones who bailed them out.
Off the topic but reminded me of the story.
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My Gay XJW Friend's Decision Concerning His Relationship With His Partner
by fulltimestudent ini've often spoken of my xjw friend and his younger chinese partner.
my friend was kicked out of yhwh's "clean" organisation when he was around 60. .
before he became a witness at around age 17-18, he did appreciate that he was attracted to other guys.
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I agree steve2, Headache inducing. This is a nightmare scenario. IMO. Who would want that. Exjw doesn't even chime in here. This is a complicated (self inflicted) situation. The younger guy seems to have no dignity. The older guy must have low self worth. The only place I can even remotely stretch my imagination that this is even exjw related at all is the older guys thinking of trying to find his younger partner a person so he wont be alone when he dies. Like some sort of martyr for cult BS. I digress, to messy.
@fulltimestudent-Now, so far that friendship does not seem to have become sexual. But the YP's (younger partner) new friend has been going through a rather nasty divorce, and while there is no sign that he has ever been attracted to other males, he does seem to be very close to the YP, who admits to being strongly attracted to his new friend
Could the red flags be any bigger? Seriously. This is a set up for one hell of a mind screw.
I hypothetically bitch slap them all.
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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !
by flipper inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.
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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !
by flipper inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.
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The paranormal.
by Lost in the fog ini know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.
but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.
if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?
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Nathan is afraid of the boogy man. Thats why he gets all up in arms. LOL