Posts by caves

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Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?

by minimus in

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we were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.

we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.

if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.

caves

My mother did. She was dead for several hours while trying to give birth to me. They got me out (C section). Since they refused a transfusion the doctor wouldn't operate, so they rushed her to the nearest hospital that would two hours or so away. She died in the ambulance with me in her. Got to the other hospital, got me out. Somehow they managed to resuscitate her. She was in a coma for days after.

As for me, I never carried that stupid ass no-blood card. I would have taken a transfusion. So long as the elders didn't step in.

And as far as dying for jefuckho. Yeah, probably at one point I may have felt like that. Inside I knew if push came to shove that, like if the ( eyeroll ) government came and ask me to denounce my faith I had already decided that I would denounce on the outside but believe on the inside. I always thought that to be the most retarded ass rule ever. I felt (god) could read my heart anyway, and if he/she/it/ thang couldn't then it wasn't real anyway. Thats how I justified my thinking a the time. "A conscience matter". I tossed that phrase around so freely it pissed off many elders on many topics.

The mental gymnastics most ALL jws have to do is messed up. I would have taken a bullet for some of the brothers back then out of what I thought to be brother hood. Vomit!

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Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

by JohnTron72 in

i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

" and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

caves

@Cofty-Finding evidence for human activity older than 6,000 years is a regular occurrence for archaeologists.

Archaeology is one of my passions. I did so many independent archaeological studies in college and happily gave them to the university. / Had to stop there, got excited a bit. Is it you that finds things on your land with the metal detector? I've been meaning to ask or just look in past threads.

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Adam could have put Jehovah In Paradox!

by JohnTron72 in

i'm going to be the first and throw this out there for others but, from careful study of the scriptures i've found a loophole that even adam who was perfect at the time missed!

i'm sure everyone has heard the conundrum about ,"can god create a rock he can't lift?

" and if he can't create one he can't lift, then god cannot do everything" well that doesn't really matter since we know jehovah says himself he cannot lie right?

caves

I think I just had an 'Out of Body Experience' while reading this. LMAO!

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The sky is falling- maybe

by joey jojo in

i am actually not a 'sky is falling' guy, but i wanted to comment on the australian bushfires.. you may or may not believe the science behind global warming, however i personally put more faith in verified, scientific data than the words of fat cat, self-serving politicians.

climate science has predicted, based on data, that we will see more prolonged, extreme weather events, higher average temperatures, rising sea levels due to ocean expansion and glacial melting.

and this is exactly whats happening.

caves

I don't understand why people say "climate change" is a 'hoax'. The earth has had drastic "Climate changes" over and over and over and over and over again. If you don't think it will/is happening then please go back to the watchtower where you can believe that the earth was created for humans to live forever on.

This has nothing to do with Greta T, and why her name was brought up is retarded.

The issue to me is, or question rather. Do humans think that they will cause it? Or, are causing it? And just precisely how is that propaganda being forced down our throats. As if we could stop it, (global warming,climate change) from happening. Did the Continents peacefully slide apart 1000's and 1000's of years ago? Like some "lazy river ride" at a water park? Get real!

Lets just recycle and stop using fossil fuels to "turn our planet around". Ahh, peace at last. Then BOOM! A meteor strikes earth. Or a super volcano explodes taking most of life out...ect ect...

BTW, the earth itself splits open and dumps oil in the ocean naturally and has done so for thousands of years. I could go on, but wont as the OP is living in a nightmarish condition and emotions are running high. As to be expected.

Seems like it would happen eventually even if we were all banging rocks on the ground for fire and living in huts.

@joey jojo,

Its beyond devastating whats happening in Australia. It sucks that the phrase "climate change" is so triggering for people. So much so that it drowns out a post from someone living in a virtual nightmare. Be safe and take care of yourself.

Caves

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Which songs give you goosebumps?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?

', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.

y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.

caves

RubaDub- 'Children' by Robert Miles is definitely a goosebump song. As soon as I saw the picture I got goosebumps. Unfortunately for me, it also makes me cry or sob rather. So I don't listen to it anymore.

Here's a few of my goosebump songs. I will say that, that Robert Miles, Children song probably is #1 or near it, in the goosebump category. Debussy, Maurice Ravel, Dead Can Dance are right up there for me, depending on the song.

Devil went down to Georgia- Charlie Daniels Band

Mad World-Gary Jules

To Be Loved- Luce Drayton (Disco Citizens remix)

Goosebumps- NYLX Mushroom Head Mix- Twisted label. Lula Grelhada. Ironically named 'Goosebumbs' ( It's her voice, it is so incredibly sexy to me) She could tell me to jump and I'd say 'How high'?

Fade Into You (Live)- Mazzy Star. Guess I like mysterious chicks

American Dreaming- Dead Can Dance

Claude Debussy- Clair De Lune

Elsewhere- Sarah Mclachlan

Stand By Me- Ben E. King, 1961

What Is A Youth- Romeo and Juliet (1968) Vocal: Glen Weston, Lyrics: Eugene Walter, Music: Nino Rota

https://youtu.be/zCQMlyXMRJE

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My BPD Sister Passed Away

by babygirl30 in

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friends

i have started this, then restarted it, and it still sucks to even write this out - but my younger sister passed away unexpectedly last saturday (on my birthday).

i am going through all the grieving emotions, but there is more to the story that i could never and would never talk about to anyone that didn't understand the jw rhetoric.

so...here i am.. my sister has had borderline personality disorder (bpd) for as long as i can remember.

caves

I just wanted to say that I am very sorry that you are going though this. There are sometimes I want to reach in the screen somehow and give someone a hug. This is definitely one of those times. One min, day, hour at a time to process.

If it helps somehow, the man who mostly raised me, married to a jw (phyco) died this year days after my pet of 14 years died. He was very abusive. I actually managed to think of some old funny memories of him and times I knew he was "trying". It helped some. Mostly I just really feel detached or numb. Not really anything left to feel about it/him.

About her death being on your Birthday. That sucks! I would make a note of that now, for next year as a potential trigger.

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Is it possible to nullify a baptism?

by idk123 in

hope you are all well,.

i was wondering within the organisation if there are any guidelines or grounds for nullifying a baptism.

see i grew up a jehovah's witness and was baptised at age 13, i didn't get baptised for the right reasons, i felt pressured to because my friends were getting baptised at the same time.

caves

I cant remember the year I want to say 2007-2010 maybe. There was an article in one of the 'magazines' that said that one could. I asked a younger elder about it and was told 'yes'.He said there was a "sister" in a cong on the other side of town that did just that. Overheard by a much older elder who said 'perhaps' and then told the younger elder to not have such discussions. I asked to merely see the responses I'd get.

So yes, it could be done. The "Sheparding book" would probably be the go to though.The one Dubfounded_12 put in the comment. Not that mag I read. It was way more loose.

To go thru all that to be still severely marked to the point that its still shunning. Them waiting with baited breath for you to be baptized "for real". In the meantime your weak, shunned, and still treated as if you'd die at the big A anyway. What a headache.

You could always try so you know.

@Midwichcukoo- Babies get baptized all the time in other religions. It would not get far in court. I agree its damaging, to put it mildly.

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Latest Circuit Assembly Money Assault!

by eyeuse2badub in

probably not new to many of you but i'm gonna post it anyway!.

i went to a circuit assembly last week at the fremont, ca assembly hall in fremont, ca to be with my wife so she could be there to 'witness' the baptism of a person she "studied" with about 2 decades ago!.

at the main entry to the assembly hall there are 3 or 4 large double door entrances.

caves

@rubadub- I could easily see the online site with two sides, one for the public (free) and one with the "deeper truths" for a monthly fee (let's say 3-5 dollars). All publishers would be expected to have the premium service.

I expect this to happen. The ones that cant afford it will get sent screen shots sent to them by the ones who can. Or copies printed off. Great way to pile on extra guilt and ensure people do pay for the "deeper truths". That would be such a win win for the borg. Jws wouldn't want to miss out. I don't think it would even raise eyebrows, sadly. It seems primed and ready for that scenario already with there being "watchtower lite".

@Biahi-even worse, she said that JW children who are molested will have the memory of this trauma wiped out after Armageddon, and worldly kids will be killed anyway.

Annnd....thats how they handled it when I was one of those kids. Wild.

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What Will Happen To President Trump In Your Opinion?

by minimus in

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friends

he has been “impeached “.

will he be convicted in the senate?

is he so “damaged goods” that he is ineffectual?

caves

LongHairGal For one thing, the Democrats would make sure there was no criticism of him or disruption. They held him out like he was the Messiah.

I completely agree.

Have people in the US forgotten that you could not even breath a 'racial joke', with out the fear of being arrested or fired at the beginning of his presidency? Just a simple joke. It was a fear set in the minds of the public to "stamp out racism" and how did that work out for the US? Not so good. When something is crammed down people throats it ignites flames and fans them.

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My answer to the Op question is, I don't know. I doubt anything will happen. Acquittal in the Senate. Goes on to serve 4 more years after next election.

Since all these scare tactics from the left, with documentaries, Micheal Moore's, cnn, msmbc, drivel the list goes on and on. It would be hilarious for someone to make a movie about if Trump resigned after his acquittal, not because he couldn't hack it but to show what would happen to the economy and state of affairs , while often showing footage of Trump with his feet kicked back watching the ciaos unfold.

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If You Had The Choice To Live Anywhere In The World or Any State Where Would You Be?

by minimus in

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friends

i do like the usa but winters suck!

florida has some charm but it gets brutal with heat and humidity.

california is too looney.

caves

@Rolrod-I want a cabin in the woods somewhere in Alaska … as far away from people as possible.

That's exactly what I wanted and almost achieved. Its not hard to get that set up going. Alaska still has homesteading, 40 acres per person. Make an improvement every year for 7 years and its yours. Which could be as much as putting another section of fence up or hanging a clothes line.ect.

You have to live there for year before your eligible. After that year you also get PFD.(Dividends from oil) It was around 3,000 a year when I was looking but now its around 1,600 a year.

Where I was headed to could be accessed by train (sort of) or by air. Train if your willing to hike half a day into your land carrying your supplies. At that time I had a couple of friends with their own planes that were friends with each other wiling to fly in supplies every 4- to 5 months. I chose The lower 48 mountains instead.

Well talking about this perked me up some this morning. Sorta dragging but cabin and woods talk. That gets my blood pumping.