Posts by caves

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The Holy Spirit

by Acer21 in

if the holy spirit is an "active force", how can it be grieved (ephesians 4:30)?.

in other words, according to the jw's, one can make jehovah's "force" sorrowful?

this is an example of how the jw leaders have perverted the gospel in translation, and have put the jw's in a position in which they must perform intellectual gymnastics in order to maintain their false position.

caves

After I got dfed the second time and was trying to get reinstated, I asked an elder what a sin against the holy spirit was. All he did was look at me and went "um hum" attitude and all, LIKE I HAD ASKED BECAUSE I COMMITTED THE SIN. I asked him why he said that in a dismissive tone . He brushed me off. Needles to say I was infuriated.

"context- I still thought it was the truth & 1 1/2 years trying to get reinstated '- I went to another elder and said that if I was ever treated that way in the kh again there would be 'a hell of a lot more than a sin against the holy spirit to worry about in that particular kh.' I also said that 'if I had, wouldn't jehovah be capable of keeping me away from the kh?' He fortunately was one of the few mellow elders(didn't matter at that point) and apologized but said the other elder must have misunderstood me. I said "No he didn't . I spoke in plain english, but If he EVER does that again I you will need the cops because I will break his neck."

Damn, I had forgotten about that. It was quite the shit show after the meeting and man did the cong leave fast. I was livid. They did threaten to call the cops as I was not backing down. I had a few aces 'if thats what one would call them' in my pocket , the cover up of my molestation and I sure used it loudly! I did used my uncle being a cop to my advantage. Also, I never told his (the pedo) daughter about the molestation and she went to the same hall. I said something along the lines of 'I'm dfed what do I have to lose? Its not like you guys haven't been dragging your ass to reinstate me. 1 1/2 years , me writing letters, there every meeting.' A more highlighted probably more studied wt that most.

The last I heard of that elder he was imprisoned for guess what... pedophilia. He got out of jail and died not long after. Good riddance. But with a lovely jw funeral about how wonderful he was.

I cant believe I forgot about that. & interesting trigger for me.

As I wrote that I could feel my blood start to boil. I think I blocked that on purpose. It was fucking traumatizing.

Anyway, holy spirit is nothing but breathing oxygen to me.

Apparently god doesn't know how to use it or what its for since god does NOTHING for a situation that was created by god. Which is horse shit because god is a figment of the imagination.

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Can we really talk about BEAUTY?

by Terry in

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can we really talk about beauty?

(first, a necessary preamble.

bear with me, please.

caves

This has dove tailed nicely into my study of stoics/Stoicism . Thank you. Really good read.

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Do you think any of the GB have different beliefs?

by neat blue dog in

do you think any higher ups know that much of the doctrine they teach is bunk?

thinking back to the time of raymond franz, how he pointed out specifically numerous teachings that the churches really did have right all along, and really any of the hidden mic apostacy trials you listen to on youtube, you see that even when inconvenient bible teachings are proven, the elders just try to sweep it under the rug and move on.

i think i remember franz saying how one of the gb approached him somewhat sympathetically, but there was nothing he could do.. whether you believe in the bible or not, there are some basic beliefs common among most denominations because they're just so plainly stated, such things as heavenly life for all christians, no central authority structure, minimal use of god's name, etc.

caves

I wonder how many are pedophiles, they are so lawyered up it would take abusing a billionaires child to even begin to make a case against them that stuck. I'm not saying they are but it would not surprise me. I think I might be surprised if they were not. Herd is the token subservient black guy.

I bet they have some f'up vices.

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Ask current Jehovah's Witnesses if they KNOW what happened in 1954 (SHOCKING)

by Terry in

(referred to below: watchtower bible and tract society presidents: russell, rutherford, knorr, franz )did you know that from 1879 until 1954 ... ... the writings of c.t.russell, j.f.rutherford, nathan knorr, and the watchtower's own charter... ... agreed ... that jesus christ was to be worshiped?this fact has been cleverly and dramatically hidden by manipulation of older quotations.

______________________________________________________________________pastor charles taze russell answers the question for us.

see below zion’s watch tower 1898 jul 15 p.216“question: the fact that our lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was god the father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man.

caves

Thanks Terry. That was really informative and beyond messed up.

So I might could possibly give Russell a very small benefit of the doubt. But probably not. He seems very misguided, greedy and power hungry.

Rutherford on the other hand, seems beyond greedy, beyond ego, NOT misguided but aimed to misguide intentionally. Power hungry seems lite to me in his case. I see him now as a complete sociopath/psychopath, with a fragile ego covered up by his lies. If those old walls could talk. He sounds like he could have easily been a serial killer and just about had everyone scared out of their mind. I imagine he was a very paranoid man. Of being exposed for what he was, and I imagine anyone that he even thought was questioning him he offed one way or another and destroyed their reputation. And this is what I thought was truth. That is so disgusting.

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Ask current Jehovah's Witnesses if they KNOW what happened in 1954 (SHOCKING)

by Terry in

(referred to below: watchtower bible and tract society presidents: russell, rutherford, knorr, franz )did you know that from 1879 until 1954 ... ... the writings of c.t.russell, j.f.rutherford, nathan knorr, and the watchtower's own charter... ... agreed ... that jesus christ was to be worshiped?this fact has been cleverly and dramatically hidden by manipulation of older quotations.

______________________________________________________________________pastor charles taze russell answers the question for us.

see below zion’s watch tower 1898 jul 15 p.216“question: the fact that our lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was god the father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man.

caves

Thanks. I'm glad I read this. Marked.

Maybe a stupid question, but was Rutherford just a man that really was searching for meaning within the bible and thought he found it? Or was he just as manipulative as Knorr and his lot. Or does it just boil down to a long line of WT elites that kept a publishing company going off the backs of members knowing full well what they are doing?

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Guys Learning the Bible is important for Us or Not?

by Is123 in

i think it not very important for us today because it a common book written and it has no value i believe in science.

yes, but when i was browsing the internet on google a website popups claiming you can get an answer to useless bible questions please can check and give you fuck reviews here yes science has fact then the common book called bible!!

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caves

Cofty, no wonder my inner retard came out to play.....

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Guys Learning the Bible is important for Us or Not?

by Is123 in

i think it not very important for us today because it a common book written and it has no value i believe in science.

yes, but when i was browsing the internet on google a website popups claiming you can get an answer to useless bible questions please can check and give you fuck reviews here yes science has fact then the common book called bible!!

.

caves

LuvUni- I think learning the bible is good in the same way learning Shakespeare is good.

Adamio and Eveiette, The Taming of the Gomorrah, A Midsummer Nights Concubine Dream, MacChrist, Julius Caesar Saturday Service Donuts, Hamlets Mother The Immaculate conception, Alls Well That Ends Well At Armageddon, .............. And my favorite bible Shakespeare parody , Alls Well That Ends Well In The Judaical Committee. I think I may have insulted Shakespeare's works. "E TU Bruhova" ?

EverApostate-Even after becoming an Atheist, I read the Bible to amuse myself.

Funny I've read more of it out, than I ever did in. It's rather hysterical , Son of , son of, son of, son of, The song of Solomon could be the new '50 Shades Of Grey'. Sodom and Gomorrah could turn into a comical play of "My Gay Ass is on Fire".

Needed a laugh this afternoon.

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I think it might be best read as a form of torture.

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The ORIGINAL 'Sweet Child o' Mine'

by The Fall Guy in

gun's 'n' roses did a decent cover of it!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbsezzgcwmi.

caves

This is such a fun song and video. Super! Thanks!

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Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

by Simon in

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this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

caves

I just got back from venturing out to get a few things at the stores. All were out of sanitizing wipes, and sanitizing hand gel. 5 Stores.

I was talking to the cashier and she said she got online yesterday and Purell was 100.00 USD for two 12 oz bottles. I just looked it up. She was right, though I didn't doubt her. I saw the dollar store brand for a 49.00 USD. It was a dollar just three days ago. I see that some states are taking action. This is the first one that popped up -

On Wednesday, Governor Gavin Newsom declared a statewide emergency, allowing the attorney general to go after shady sellers price gouging in person or online.

They can be fined up to $10,000 and face a year in jail. Here is the link. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/hand-sanitizer-for-152-state-cracking-down-on-coronavirus-price-gouging/2248235/

Good! I hope these people go straight to jail!

The other sad part is many elderly cant get out to go get some. Everyone of the store clerks I spoke with said it was people in their 30-40s mostly buying mass quantity. The ones not at the most risk of death.

Then I'll be damned if I didn't drive by packed houses at every single tavern and pub on the way home. That makes no sense at all to me. Or the lady in line that said, 'Its just like the flu, whats the big deal?' I said "And yes the flu kills anywhere from 200,000 -800,000 a year and it has a vaccine. This one doesn't.'. She said " Well that's just your opinion." And that's how this crap spreads. Dumb ass people.

Anyway I hope many more places jump on the band wagon to stop third party price gougers through fines and jail time.

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Which songs give you goosebumps?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?

', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.

y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.

caves

I thought of this thread when I heard this new song. Return to OZ by Monolink AIR BAT. (Remember the movie "Return to OZ" where the queen has heads she tries on?

It gave me goosebumps. Thought Rubadub might like it. Or and others. I'm an electro/trance house music junkie.

I don't usually get goosebumps on a song much any more and when I do after I listen to it a few times it goes away. This one has been giving me goosebumps lately. Probably will go away after I listen to it a couple 100 times. I love surreal lyrics and surreal music to go along with it.

Lyrics-She says that there all dead X4

Get a phone call from the queen with a hundred heads

She says that they're all dead

She tried the last one on

Couldn't speak, fell off

And now she just wanders the hall

Thinking nothing, thinking nothing at all. Once there was a man

Who had a little too much time on his hands

He never stopped to think he was getting older.

When his night came to an end

He tried to grasp for his last friend and pretend That he could wish himself health on a four-leaf clover.

( The beat and music goes insane after that last lyric) Main lyrics start at the 3min 28 sec markish

https://youtu.be/Lo0ELoepTCM?list=RDLo0ELoepTCM