telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
@Heaven. yes, as is the Bible, that's why i use that terminologie.
@Simon. I dont claim it because it is. I claim it because it is the only possibility. If you assume christian terminologie and assume either something is the truth from God or a lie from Satan. Then as explained in the OP you must come to the conclusion that the Bible cannot come from God and therefore must be a lie from Satan.
This is not something i believe, since it is the only possibility, it is something i know.
telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
i dont understand Simon. You think that reveiling the Bible as a lie from Satan is religious propaganda ? Since the most commen religion is based on the Bible (or Koran, Tora) , the statement is in my opinion anti-religious.
Why do you assume i refuse to discuss it ?
telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
a lie from Satan? what happened was what he exactly said, the lie and deceit came from the creator.
- That's a good clue. If the Bible states that Satan was telling the truth and the creator was the one deceiving. What tell's you that over the Bible ?
I think this clue supports my thesis that the Bible is a tool/lie of Satan.
telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
Anyhoo dreds, This is the wrong forum to come spouting your delusions, you will get your ass handed to you, so pull up your big boy pants and prepare to bring it.
- I already brought it, it is now your turn to bring it. My logic is indisprovable :-)
telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
Free willimpliece choise.Choiseimplies knowledge of good and bad. How else can you make adesicion. Theviolanceweconflicton each other.
I dont understand what you mean, sorry english is not my first language.
telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
Two of the 3 main world faiths use the Bible/parts of the Bible. Do you have another source for the "Original sin: Tree of knowledge of good and evil" story outside of the Bible?
Logic.
‘…when you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.’
Free will impliece choise. Choise implies knowledge of good and bad. How else can you make a desicion. Al evil is done in the name of good. Just from a different perspective. (like terrorist attacks. Evil from the Bible perspective, Good from the Koran perspective).
It is the knowledge of good and evil witch is the cause of the "hell" we live in, the suffering man endures. The violance we conflict on eachother.
If it is impossible to know good and bad, than it is imposseble to choose. Therefore free will is an illusion. A lie from Satan.
We have the free will to fight for what we think is good and be in hell. Or surrender this free will and thus knowledge of good and evil and be in paradise.
i think most people in most cultures see it as a bad thing to not thank someone for a good deed they've done you.
in fact you have probably heard someone say something like this - or you've said it yourself:.
"person x is so ungrateful!
The desire to be thanked is a selfish desire to be praised and recognized. True love does not seek its own interests but that of the person who is the object of the love. So if someone is giving with the expectation of being thanked - are they giving out of pure love?
I agree.
How about this then.
Has Jehova any desire to be praised ? (thanked)
Because if so, is his love really unconditional ?
telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
If by religion, you mean the Bible. Then yes, i agree. The Bible are the lies of Satan trying to trick us in rejecting God.
telling and knowing the truth.. it is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of satan.. believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil.
because with the bible you believe you can know the truth.
where there is no knowledge of the truth and good and evil.
Telling and knowing the Truth.
It is your job to tell and know the truth and not be decived by the lies of Satan.
Believing this, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil. The lies of Satan are evil and the word of God is the truth. So for telling and knowing the truth you need the knowledge of good and evil.
God however said to man: Do NOT eat from the fruit of the tree of good and evil. It is Satan who lures man with his lies to eat from this tree, with the promise man can rule themselves.
Believing you can know and tell the truth therefor MUST be a lie from Satan. Because you need the knowledge of good and evil in order to do so, which is explicity forbidden by God. Satan uses the Bible to trick you into believing that you can know the truth. Because with the Bible you believe you can know the truth. Therefor the Bible must be lie from Satan.
Studying the Bible
Studying the Bible only has one purpose. To know what is good and evil. To live a good life. To do that you need to rule yourself, you are the one that is studying and wanting to know the truth. With that you reject Jehova's rule. Because if you fully surrender your free will to Jehova's unconditional love, his eternal and almighty grace, no knowledge is needed. You accept the unknow truth in full faith of Jehova's grace.
Trying to figure out the truth for yourself, is because you lack the faith in Jehova to live in the unknown of his almighty grace. (which is to big to be known by any man) . You believe Satan's lie that you can know Jehova's truth and therefore become a god yourself. That is the whole purpose of studying the Bible. It is Satan tricking you into believing that you can know the truth and become god yourself. Endlesly trying to improve yourself to become a god.
Man is given free will.
We can chose between ruling ourselves or being ruled by God.
If we rule ourselves we make our own decisions, if we are ruled by God, we make no decisions of ourselves.
Being able to rule ourselves is being able to make our own decisions. In order to make our own decisions we need the knowlegde of good and evil. Because without the knowledge of what is good or what is evil, we cannot make a decission between the two. The right decission and the wrong decission.
So Satan tricks man in eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil , so that man doesnt need Jehova anymore, but can rule themselves. So being disobedient to Jehova in eating the fruit from this tree is in sense rejecting Jehova and rejecting being ruled by Jehova.
So now what do you do in this life ? You try to life a good life, because you believe that is what is needed in order te be allowed to live when Satan's rule will end. In order to live a good life, you need the knowledge of what is good and evil. It also assumes that you rule your own life.
That is how you use the Bible, as a fruit of knowledge of good and evil to rule your own life. Because with that you make your own decissions instead of surrendering fully to the will of God. Logic allows only for one conclusion and that is that the Bible is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil and Satan lures you to use it to rule yourself. To decide for yourself what is good and evil instead of surrendering your free will to the unconditional love of God.
Pleasing Jehova
Man was rejected from paradise for his sin, for eating the knowledge of good and evil. Ever since man wants to please Jehova in order to be allowed acces to paradise again.
But man makes the same mistake over and over again, thats why this world is still under Satan's rule. Man tries to please Jehova with his knowledge of good and evil, likes and dislikes of Jehova. That which he explicity had forbidden in paradise. The original sin. That is why man are still sinners, because they try to please Jehova with his knowledge of good and evil.
But you need not
do or know anything to be allowd back into paradise. Jehova loves us
unconditionally with his almighty grace.
There is only one
possible option. If we are not allowed the knowledge of good and evil
to rule ourselves, than there is only one option to please Jehova and
that is to surrender our free will, our own rule and knowledge of
good and evil to the eternal and almighty garce of Jehova's love.
Fully surrender to his rule. When man fully surrenders to Jehova's
rule, he is granted acces to paradise again. Where there is no
knowledge of the truth and good and evil. It is de kingdom of not
knowing and living in absolute faith.
Jehova's paradise , his love is available for every man, here and now. He created man so he could love and care for them. He asks only one thing in return. That you accept this love and care of your own free wil.
That you do not try to know the truth for yourself, that you do not try to improve yourself, to know the knowledge of good and evil, that you rule yourself. But instead surrender your free will and all knowledge and trust fully in Jehova.
