Posts by Fadeaway1962

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Exiting the JW's and its aftermath Part 2

by Victor in

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approval .

as children we have a need to bond with our caregivers or parents.

this bond leads to needing their approval.

Fadeaway1962

Jehalapeno

Yes when a spouse uses physiological manipulate and coercion control the victim male or female becomes a approval addict to try and keep the abusers approval .

Yes Google sign's of domestic abuse.

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Scouts File For Bankruptcy

by Lost in the fog in

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-scouts-america-bankruptcy-sex-abuse-lawsuits/.

Fadeaway1962

Thanks

Sounds like another organisation that has documents on offenders of sexual abuse of children and failed to report and lots of money in the bank .

Maybe they will file for bankruptcy and restructure to save paying compensation to the victims.

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A Better View of Trauma

by Sea Breeze in

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i ran across this short essay and thought it was worth passing along.

trauma is not your fault, but healing is your responsibility.

what happened to you was not your fault.. it was not something you asked for, it was not something you deserved.. what happened to you was not fair.. you were merely collateral damage on someone else’s warpath, an innocent bystander who got wrecked out of proximity.. we are all traumatized by life, some of us from egregious wrongdoings, others by unprocessed pain and sidelined emotions.

Fadeaway1962

Very true

Recently left a abusive relationship after many years on the way to becoming a survivor and no longer a victim with the help of domestic abuse agency's .

That also help me that I was in a abusive religion , they both use the same tactics to control all aspects of your life and slowly erode the person you are,in the process of fading from JWs ,

This forum has been a great help in the recovery process so on the road to being a survivor of the abusive cult.

So many thanks .

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John viney story

by Fadeaway1962 in

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witnesses-sexual-abuse-wales-17700382 .

Fadeaway1962

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witnesses-sexual-abuse-wales-17700382

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I want to try something new, any ideas?

by Tameria2001 in

normally when jws come to my door, i very quickly tell them i'm not interested in the jws.

and for about a year or so they don't come until that time passes.

well, they came by today, but this time i decided to not tell them to go away but had a nice conversation with the two that were at my door.

Fadeaway1962

The ministry school taught us to be friendly and get common ground.

We all hate people being mistreated and abused mention about JW in Russia on the news let them agree and talk about that for a while then when appropriate mention about the child abuse law suits on the news , they will struggle to say it's apostate because they have already agreed with the news media coverage of JWs in Russia.

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My email to JW Following Trolley Conversation

by cofty in

a few weeks ago i had an really interesting conversation with three male jws who were loitering around a trolley at the west end of princes street in edinburgh.. i managed to completely avoid giving any hint about my jw past and focussed on why they thought the bible was a reliable moral guide.

i used the subject of slavery to illustrate my concerns.. one of the three was in his early twenties, knew a lot about his own beliefs but nothing about the real life and it was difficult to get through his thought-bubble.

the second one was in his 60s and not very bright.

Fadeaway1962

If you ask a JW a thought provoking question they will struggle to come up with a convincing answer,we were probably like that maybe waffle for a while then promise to call back but never would.

We were brainwashed that we are the ones who ask the thought provoking question and we already had the answer.

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Disfellowshipped JW's Still Have "Normal Family Relations"

by Sea Breeze in

"when someone is disfellowshipped from the religion, normal family relations continue, with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”a watchtower lawyer clears up this common misunderstanding:.

https://jwvictims.org/2017/11/19/watchtower-lawyer-lies-outright-in-court-about-disfellowshipping-and-shunning/ .

Fadeaway1962

Crazyguy2 have you considered contacting a domestic abuse helpline and speak to them about what happened to you.

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Article: What Is The Clergy-Penitent Privilege And How Can It Protect Sex Offenders?

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.oxygen.com/the-witnesses/crime-news/how-clergy-penitent-privilege-may-protect-sex-offenders.

how clergy-penitent privilege may protect sex offenders | crime news.

it’s a practice that is centuries old: confessing one’s sins to a trusted clergy member.

Fadeaway1962

If a elder resigns or is removed anything confidential he was aware off there's nothing to stop him from disclosing that information , think a priest is bound by the Catholic church to keep things confidential .

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Outlaw temple

by Fadeaway1962 in

ancient 'outlaw temple' discovered in israel.

the famous first temple was not alone.. a bird's-eye view of the temple, taken at the end of the 2013 excavation season.. (image: © p. partouche/skyview).

image 1 of 6. one of the two human-shaped figurines.

Fadeaway1962

Ancient 'outlaw temple' discovered in Israel

The famous First Temple was not alone.

A bird's-eye view of the temple, taken at the end of the 2013 excavation season.

The discovery of an Iron Age temple near Jerusalem has upended the idea that the ancient Kingdom of Judah, located in what is now southern Israel, had just one temple: the First Temple, also known as Solomon's Temple, a holy place of worship in Jerusalem that stood from the 10th century B.C. until its destruction, in 586 B.C.

The newfound temple — whose roughly 150 congregants worshiped Yahweh but also used idols to communicate with the divine — was in use during the same period as the First Temple. Its discovery shows that, despite what the Jewish Bible says, there were other contemporary temples besides the First Temple in the kingdom.

"If a group of people living so close to Jerusalem had their own temple, maybe the rule of the Jerusalem elite was not so strong and the kingdom was not so well established as described in the Bible?" study co-researcher Shua Kisilevitz, a doctoral student of archaeology at Tel Aviv University in Israel and an archaeologist with the Israel Antiquities Authority, told Live Science.

Archaeologists have known about the Iron Age site at Tel Motza, located less than 4 miles (6.4 kilometers) outside Jerusalem, since the early 1990s. However, it wasn't until 2012 that researchers discovered the remains of a temple there, and it wasn't until just last year that they excavated it further, ahead of a highway project.

This temple was likely built around 900 B.C. and operated for a few hundred years, until its demise in the early sixth century B.C., according to Kisilevitz and her co-researcher, who wrote about it in the January/February issue of the Biblical Archaeology Review magazine.

This timing of the temple's existence dumbfounded archaeologists. "The Bible details the religious reforms of King Hezekiah and King Josiah, who assertedly consolidated worship practices to Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem and eliminated all cultic activity beyond its boundaries," Kisilevitz and review co-author Oded Lipschits, the director of the Sonia and Marco Nadler Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, wrote in the magazine.

These reforms likely happened between the late eighth and the late seventh centuries B.C. In other words, they occurred at the same time that the Tel Motza synagogue was operating, the researchers said.

Was it daring for such a temple to seemingly defy the kings' orders and operate so close to Jerusalem? The only other known temple from this time period in the kingdom, besides the First Temple, "is a small temple in the southern border fort of Arad, which served the local garrison," Kisilevitz said.

However, it appears that there were sanctioned temples in the kingdom whose continued existence was permitted, despite Hezekiah's and Josiah's reforms, Kisilevitz and Lipschits said. Here's how that may have happened.

Image 1 of 6

One of the two human-shaped figurines. (Image credit: C. Amit)

These idols were likely used to communicate with the devine. (Image credit: C. Amit)

A horse figurine unearthed at the site. (Image credit: C. Amit)

The two horse figurines are the oldest known depictions of horses from the Iron Age in the Kingdom of Judah. (Image credit: C. Amit)

One of the two human-shaped figurines. (Image credit: C. Amit)

(Image credit: S. Kisilevitz)

Ancient granary

The site was home not just to the temple, but also to dozens of silos for grain storage and redistribution. In fact, the granary appears to have thrived as time went on, and it even had buildings that likely served administrative and religious purposes.

It appears that Tel Motza became such a successful granary that it catered to Jerusalem and became an economic powerhouse. "It seems that the construction of the temple — and the worship conducted in it — were related to [the granary's] economic significance," the researchers wrote in the magazine piece.

So, perhaps the temple was allowed to exist because it was tied to the granary and didn't seem to threaten the kingdom in any way, the researchers said.

Broken idols

The temple itself was a rectangular building with an open courtyard in front. This courtyard "served as a focal point for the cultic activity, as the general population was not allowed into the temple itself," Kisilevitz told Live Science.

"Cultic finds in the courtyard include a stone-built altar on which animals were sacrificed and their remains discarded into a pit dug nearby," Kisilevitz said. In addition, four clay figurines — two human-like and two horse-like — had been broken and buried in the courtyard, likely as part of a cultic ritual.

The horse-like figurines may be the oldest known depictions of horses from the Iron Age of Judah, the researchers added.

But the ancient people probably weren't worshipping the clay idols, Kisilevitz noted. Rather, these idols were "a medium through which the people could communicate with the god [or gods]," likely to ask for good rainfall, fertility and harvest, Kisilevitz told Live Science.

It's not surprising that people in the ancient Kingdom of Judah used idols, the archaeologists noted.

"Evidence of cultic activity throughout the Kingdom of Judah exists both in the biblical texts (depicted as royally sanctioned, with the notable exception of Hezekiah and Josiah who conducted cultic reform) and in the archaeological finds," Kisilevitz told Live Science.

Moreover, during this time, new political groups were emerging in the Levant, the region that includes Israel and its neighboring countries today. Given these tumultuous changes, people tended to stick with their old religious practices, the researchers said. Even the Tel Motza temple's architecture and its artifacts were reminiscent of religious traditions from the ancient Near East that had been practiced since the third millennium B.C., the researchers said.

In all, the discovery of this temple sheds light on state formation during this period, the researchers said. When the Kingdom of Judah first emerged, it wasn't as strong and centralized as it was later on, but it built relationships with local nearby rulers, including one at Tel Motza, the researchers said

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How Many Here Remember Hearing Details from the Platform on Why a Person was Reproved or DF'd ???

by RubaDub in

i just had this flashback when commenting on another thread about how they used to announce reproof or dfing from the platform.

at least in our congregation, it was a dramatic event (this is what i can remember from back in the mid-late 60's or early 70's when i was a kid).. at the end of the service meeting, just before singing the final song, the brother would announce, "we have a letter that must be read.

the "congregation servant" (my grandfather or later my father) would then slowly walk from the back of the kh to the platform.

Fadeaway1962

They also used to announce

That Joe bloggs is no longer a unbaptised publisher , usually young ones .