Yes, a lot of patience is needed to be present at meetings and with family and brothers. Sometimes it's hard not to say too much about what you really believe about the JW religion.
Skepsis
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Between two worlds
by Skepsis inafter knowing the ttatt i felt anger of all the lies i was told for years.
then, i did some changes in my life to the better.
i was doubting but felt relieved.
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Skepsis
I've seen a complete lack of love in the organisation since I was a child, particularly brothers and sisters in their 80s and 90s who from one day to another stop attending to meetings and then you find out they're in a elderly homecare where elders don't visit them.
But you know, there are a lot of things to do like visiting strangers who don't want to listen to you or make the general cleaning of the Kingdom Hall. Such things are clearly more important. 😡
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Between two worlds
by Skepsis inafter knowing the ttatt i felt anger of all the lies i was told for years.
then, i did some changes in my life to the better.
i was doubting but felt relieved.
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Skepsis
Hi everyone,
After knowing the TTATT I felt anger of all the lies I was told for years. Then, I did some changes in my life to the better. I was doubting but felt relieved. But now, I feel my fading is slowing.
I have to go to the meetings for the sake of my family and still be serving as MS. Despite that, all the doubts became certainties but I have still to pay lip service to the religion, nodding to everything coming from the platform and what is worst, having to pronounce lies from there.
At the same time, while I'm in this process of quitting the religion, I'm trying to adapt to the world. I made important changes (getting a better job, etc.) but I'm struggling with meeting new people. Also, I'm realising all the time lost in the religion. But being still inside makes me feel very sad. I feel like living in two completely different worlds.
In fact, last week it was the birthday of one of my colleagues at work and they planned to buy a cake. Then, at the office they sang "Happy birthday". I rejected to sing other times but I wanted to do it this time. I started singing it but felt so bad after it!
Don't know if it's normal for you who are fading now or faded in the past. I'm feeling so lonely. A colleague at work noticed it but I couldn't explain it all. How to explain it to someone that knows nothing about the JW world?
Did you experienced the same during fading? How are you managing it?
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What will you be doing on the evening of the 11th ?
by Phizzy inmrs phizzy and myself will be eating out, sure in the knowledge we will not have jw's using the same restaurant.. i may have a cigar along with my brandy at the meal's end to celebrate my (our) freedom..
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Skepsis
I will be passing the emblems, I hope for the last time in my life.
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Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?
by Skepsis inhi folks,.
i have a difficult dilemma.
since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.
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Skepsis
UPDATED: I have declined being in the carts from next month as I'll be busy on Saturdays. Didn't give more details, just saying I'll be very busy all Saturdays.
Another step in my fading. I hated doing the carts, even when I believed all of this so I'm quite relieved. I also told the elders I'm not preaching during the week as I'm working long hours and can't go to the KH at time to attend meetings for field service.
An elder asked me to preach later but I rejected and told him "I'm finishing really late". I'll be in Field Service only on Sunday and only some of them.
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Pretoria resident says - before high court in South Africa - he is the anointed one !
by ZAPPA-ESQUE inpretoria [ south africa] - an unusual urgent application served before the gauteng high court this week,in which a lyttelton manor resident, who said he is was known as the “anointed one” among jehovah’s witnesses, asked the court to officially swear him in as the worldwide leader of the organisation.. ernest gericke, in papers before the court, told judge bill prinsloo that the “first business of the christ is the legal establishment of the kingdom of god on earth, known as the jehovah’s kingdom.” .
gericke said this involved the the conducting of a covenant for a kingdom, which is to take place on april 11. .
“in order to effect the legal requirements for the kingdom this honourable court is requested to hear the public oath of the office of the king.
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Skepsis
He has the same reasons to say it that the GB: none. So why not? ;)
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news... From ITALY
by biblexaminer inan old friend, a "brother" called from italy.
updated on a few things.. most interestingly, he said they just had their final assembly at their "beautiful assembly hall".. why would it be the final assembly?
because it's sold!.
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Skepsis
In my country , there are the same amount of publishers since 2002. I know no new one in my area and there are 8 congregation over here.
They're basically the same people but 15 years older. They divided congregations and now they're finding out there are no sufficient number of elders and especially MS to attend all the tasks.
I believe there are 8 mill pubs but not here in Europe nor the richer countries. Add to that, they're not present in China. So, they're growing in poor countries in Africa.
Not a good prospect for their finaces.
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news... From ITALY
by biblexaminer inan old friend, a "brother" called from italy.
updated on a few things.. most interestingly, he said they just had their final assembly at their "beautiful assembly hall".. why would it be the final assembly?
because it's sold!.
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Skepsis
They're doing the same everywhere. I guess they're into something. Probably the GB know the real numbers of JWs are falling or will fall deeply in some years and are selling properties before it's so obvious. Or maybe donations have been falling. Or a combination of both. Who knows...
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Are congregations in Spain suffering an increase in banking fees since Watchtower 'seized' their bank savings?
by jwleaks inremember a few years ago watchtower literally 'siezed' all individual congregation bank savings around the world above what was needed to cover basic kingdom hall monthly expenses?
a new march 30, 2017, boe letter has just gone out to congregations in spain, which, more or less, explains that congregations bank account funds no longer entitle congregations to reduced banking fees.
(see copy of actual paragraph below.).
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Skepsis
I'm living in Spain and I don't pay fees for banking transfers or most basic banking services. It's normal for corporate accounts but not for private accounts.
There are plenty of online banks out there and some are subsidiaries of traditional banks. Even if you have an account in a traditional bank when you have to pay those fees, you can go to the local agency to negotiate with the zone director for better conditions. For example, if you have your salary payed monthly, you may get no fees.
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Observations From an Ex-Elder Part 3 - Searching for the Lost Sheep
by doubtfull1799 in"what man among you with 100 sheep, on losing one of them, will not leave the 99 behind in the wilderness and go after the lost one until he finds it?
" - luke 15:4. disclaimer: by posting the following observations i am not complaining.
i am happy to be left alone.
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Skepsis
I think most of the appointed men in the congregations are burnt out and many don't step down because there are no one wanting to serve these days.
I remenber the days when I was a child that there used to be body of elders with up to 8 or 9 elders but now I find it's common to sre congregations with four or five elders.
Plus, many elders are having to do work that in the past was done by ministerial servants as there are very few, even less than elders.
I know congregations where accounts, territories and others assignments are done by elders.
These days all male brothers I know are insisted to accept being MS and when being MS for some years, to be appointed as elders. I know brothers that now are MS that a decade ago would have never been considered.
Some brothers succumb to pressure and accept it but they don't really want to serve so just imagine how much effort they will put into it. Do you think are they doing tasks that are voluntary or that someone is not going to check if it's done?
The biggest problem for WT is apathy as there are many inside that still need to be shepherded and controlled but give nothing: no work for the congo, no contributing...
In the future WT will have to do something: consolidate even more (150 pubs per congo to have 5-6 elders on each?), assign sisters to MS roles or at least give to them some role in territories, accounting, etc or simplify how a congregation is run (most talks from the WT-TV, etc).
If things follow the same, in 5 or 10 years most of the work supposed to be done will be impossible to do as a lot of elders are in their 60s and 70s and retiring with no replacement in sight.