What is more upsetting is that elders back in my country don't know how to send the recommendation letter because they can't speak the language of the country I'm now living in. So the process would be slower than I had expected.
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A new step in my exit from the WT
by Skepsis inif you remember, i've been posting here my subsequent steps from a regular pioneer and ms at the beginning of this year to a rank-and-file publisher after stepping down as ms two months ago.. during these months, i've been through a difficult way.
but after every step, i could feel freer and better.
i've met a person outside the wt that has changed my life forever and i have experienced a freedom of thought and an inner peace like never before.. however, i knew that staying in my hometown would make my fading very difficult.
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A new step in my exit from the WT
by Skepsis inif you remember, i've been posting here my subsequent steps from a regular pioneer and ms at the beginning of this year to a rank-and-file publisher after stepping down as ms two months ago.. during these months, i've been through a difficult way.
but after every step, i could feel freer and better.
i've met a person outside the wt that has changed my life forever and i have experienced a freedom of thought and an inner peace like never before.. however, i knew that staying in my hometown would make my fading very difficult.
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A new step in my exit from the WT
by Skepsis inif you remember, i've been posting here my subsequent steps from a regular pioneer and ms at the beginning of this year to a rank-and-file publisher after stepping down as ms two months ago.. during these months, i've been through a difficult way.
but after every step, i could feel freer and better.
i've met a person outside the wt that has changed my life forever and i have experienced a freedom of thought and an inner peace like never before.. however, i knew that staying in my hometown would make my fading very difficult.
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Hi Incognito,
I don't want that elders in my country know about my fading but I don't mind here. I don't care about them, even if elders want to visit me in the future. I have no JW family or JW friends here. So stop attending meetings and reporting wouldn't be a problem for me.
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A new step in my exit from the WT
by Skepsis inif you remember, i've been posting here my subsequent steps from a regular pioneer and ms at the beginning of this year to a rank-and-file publisher after stepping down as ms two months ago.. during these months, i've been through a difficult way.
but after every step, i could feel freer and better.
i've met a person outside the wt that has changed my life forever and i have experienced a freedom of thought and an inner peace like never before.. however, i knew that staying in my hometown would make my fading very difficult.
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Hi, everyone!
If you remember, I've been posting here my subsequent steps from a regular pioneer and MS at the beginning of this year to a rank-and-file publisher after stepping down as MS two months ago.
During these months, I've been through a difficult way. But after every step, I could feel freer and better. I've met a person outside the WT that has changed my life forever and I have experienced a freedom of thought and an inner peace like never before.
However, I knew that staying in my hometown would make my fading very difficult. I was serving in a foreign-language congregation, taking part in convention parts and well-known in my area. So, I decided that I have to move, far away, if I wanted to start a completely new life.
And here, I am. In a different country where I just found a job and I'm about to start from scratch.
So, I would like to ask for advice to all of you. I went to one meeting in a congregation in my new city for asking to the secretary's address. Then, I conveyed this info to my last congregation elders and now they're in the process of transferring my publishing card. Do you think I shall attend some more meetings until I am announced as a new publisher and then disappear? Here, I don't mind to deal with elders but wouldn't like that they inform elders back in my country although it would be very hard because of the language barrier. Or maybe should I make another congregation change in some months?
Thanks for your help in these difficult times!
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Happy birthday Watchtower!
by Half banana injust before the month ends i would like to congratulate the watchtower magazine for completing its run of 138 years of publication.
the first copy was printed july 1st 1879. well done watchtower!.
as a reminder, let people remember that in its time this magazine has one of the world’s largest print runs for a periodical.
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A WTF Moment While In the WTS
by Searching inhas anyone else had a moment, while still within the organization (and before learning ttatt) that caused them to stop and go, "this is kind of messed up.".
for instance, back i believe in the early 2000's, i was attending a dc with my family.
it was announced at the beginning of the convention that there was going to be a special announcement at the end, so for everyone to please try to remain until the very end of the meeting.
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I had that kind of moment when they delivered stickers to study the Revelation Book in the Book Study. It was so embarrasing. You could see all the changes they did by having to stick these pieces of papers to the book.
Another moment was when I was serving in the Regional Convention Accounts. I entered the room and the elder in charge of the department was humilliating a brother to coming late. Another year, he was asking a brother I know: "Look! Sisters have to be put near the contribution boxes. It's embarrasing! Women! Aren't you ashamed of not volunteering?"
That kind of behavior is what you expect in a business environment, not in a religion!
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I'm giving up in 2017! (More steps in my fading)
by Skepsis inwhen i joined this site at the beginning of this year, i was serving as an uber-zealous regular pioneer and ms in a foreign congregation where the need is greater.
i was giving public talks and having parts at regional conventions.
had started to have doubts but i hadn't time to focus on them, i simply was overcharged with so many activities and things to do.. i started by quitting pioneering but couldn't think i would give further steps for a long time.
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My spouse and I had to come to terms that we were going to loose "friends." We have. We knew we could possibly loose family. We have to a certain extent. As long as you realize these things will happen, you will be ok. Like someone mentioned, go join some things of interest and branch out and meet people.
Of course, ToesUp. I realised that some time ago. I do know that even fading, I will lose all my friends, even those people I know since we were children.
If I'm fading and doing it in a careful way, it's because of my family. I hope my family won't shun me. Still don't know but it's the only chance to achieve it. Now some friends I thought were like family, don't invite me to spend time with them like before. And I'm still a brother, going to meetings. Just imagine when I stop attending meetings.
Every second devoted to this Org is a second lost to live your own life. I think it was the fact that I realised during these months that there's no "new system of things", no more time than the life here on Earth to enjoy, what made me speed up my fading.
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I'm giving up in 2017! (More steps in my fading)
by Skepsis inwhen i joined this site at the beginning of this year, i was serving as an uber-zealous regular pioneer and ms in a foreign congregation where the need is greater.
i was giving public talks and having parts at regional conventions.
had started to have doubts but i hadn't time to focus on them, i simply was overcharged with so many activities and things to do.. i started by quitting pioneering but couldn't think i would give further steps for a long time.
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Question, what are you doing with all the time you used to spend in JW activities? Are you bringing new people to your life?
Hi scratchme,
Yes, first people I wanted to know better were working colleagues. I've been recently to a company BBQ and going out with some of them some weekends. They're good and healthy people, not the 'worldly' caricatures the Org use to describe non-Witnesses.
I also joined German classes where I'm meeting new people. I've been also to some meetups in my city.
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I'm giving up in 2017! (More steps in my fading)
by Skepsis inwhen i joined this site at the beginning of this year, i was serving as an uber-zealous regular pioneer and ms in a foreign congregation where the need is greater.
i was giving public talks and having parts at regional conventions.
had started to have doubts but i hadn't time to focus on them, i simply was overcharged with so many activities and things to do.. i started by quitting pioneering but couldn't think i would give further steps for a long time.
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When I joined this site at the beginning of this year, I was serving as an uber-zealous regular pioneer and MS in a foreign congregation where the need is greater. I was giving public talks and having parts at regional conventions. Had started to have doubts but I hadn't time to focus on them, I simply was overcharged with so many activities and things to do.
I started by quitting pioneering but couldn't think I would give further steps for a long time. But things are going faster than expected and told elders that I'm stepping down as MS. It was a big shock for them but I couldn't do it for more time. Just can't have more parts at meetings (I was having 2 or 3 parts each meeting) defending doctrines I no longer believe in.
I've received dozens of emails, phone calls and messages even from people I hadn't seen for years. They're all very worried about my spirituality but when asked I'm simply playing the depression and anxiety cards. "You know, brother XYZ, this world is so difficult". That's what I want to say at this moment and most of brothers understand it though there are other who want me to not give up on spiritual privileges.
This was a couple of weeks ago but this weekend I had my Regional Convention. Wanted to go to chat with some people I only see at conventions and friends of long time ago. However, I was thinking how I would suffer sitting down for hours listening to the same ol' song even more explicit than ever with that title.
So finally I didn't go. Yesterday had some doubts about going today Sunday. Woke up early, had breakfast but decided to stay at home.
This is the first time since I have memories that I'm not going to the summer convention. I had expected it would be my last one but now I think last year's will be my last one.
From one side I'm happy but on the other, I'm missing so many friends. I have a strange mixture of feelings.
So I
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What did NOT get you out?
by problemaddict 2 ini realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.
in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.
i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.
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I had already said in another post, I visited a ex-Jehovah's Witnesses forum in my native language that no longer exists and when I read all the hate and resentment against the WT, immediately stopped visiting that site. That was 3 or 4 years ago and it had the effect of making me more sceptical about so-called apostates.