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  Is there “new light” on 1914?

  by wallsofjericho in

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  i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .

  is this regarding 1914?

  or micheal the arch angel?.

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  Elena

  I think they are testing the waters, they said the old light was we used to think that happened in1914.

  what are they talking about happened in 1914?

  they have left it obscured with two possibilities and depending on how rank and file react they can adjust accordingly.

  possibility 1. Jesus still did become king in 1914 but won’t actually sit in the thrown yet until a future date. This option is them getting scared about too big a change and backtracking

  possibility 2. They are actually changing doctrine that Jesus did not get enthroned as king in 1914 and this will happen in the future. So everyone better stop saying in our prayers “in the name of our reigning king Jesus”

  there has never been so much confusion about something so foundational.

  can someone confirm this is the same 2024 regional convention that’s has started in January? I thought it was much later in the year?
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  Is there “new light” on 1914?

  by wallsofjericho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .

  is this regarding 1914?

  or micheal the arch angel?.

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  Elena

  This a groundbreaking video, can someone confirm if the Spanish is correctly translated?

  
  

  A new understanding from recent years? Huh???? If that was true many people would have been all over it? This is the first time it has come out? How can he say from recent years when any JDub who has not head this talk still prays about our reigning king Jesus! Now this brother is saying we don’t think Jesus is king yet and we have had this new light for years?

  Do they still think the archangel Michael is actually Jesus and he battled with Satan and the demons in 1914, we always said he threw them to earth in 1914 and that’s why WW1 started? But this new talk craps on all that, did he go rouge but if so why didn’t they turn off his mic and get him off the stage?

  The theory someone said is “I think this is a test run by the Governing Body to see how a small group reacts. If they don’t react, they will announce it at the next Annual Meeting.

  That will eliminate the LAST DAYS DOCTRINE and THE OVERLAPPING GENERATION DOCTRINE

  If the rank and file react badly, they can easily say the Spanish brother voiced his personal opinion and remove him as elder.”
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  JW-lite on Facebook

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings, fellow posters and friends:.

  i have noticed that jws on fb post a great deal from their website.

  it's ready-made witnessing material, namely, videos, links to reading materials, comments on the tv show, etc.

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  Elena

  I didn’t realise the JW-lite idea goes back a decade or so.

  recently the JW-lite has become openly talked about on Facebook and instagram. Things like I love how I can still attend on zoom even thought this and that.

  It has become a social club for many who don’t believe anymore
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  🎄The Life of Antony Morris

  by Diogenesister in

  1. social
  2. humour

  🎄 just thought this not former/vidiot back & forth deserved it's own christmas special !!!🎄.

  vidiot6 days ago.

  notformer - “…if he does attend a kingdom hall physically, i imagine there're some ‘security’ arrangements in place…”.

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  Elena

  Happydad what about Argentina ?
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  🎄The Life of Antony Morris

  by Diogenesister in

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  🎄 just thought this not former/vidiot back & forth deserved it's own christmas special !!!🎄.

  vidiot6 days ago.

  notformer - “…if he does attend a kingdom hall physically, i imagine there're some ‘security’ arrangements in place…”.

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  Elena

  I’ve just watched the bottlegate video again, yes it does seem he has his hands in his pockets and he certainly does look like a pervert.

  This may be why one of the new GB members actually admitted he didn’t want to be GB. He knows he can never go anywhere without the possibility he is being secretly filmed.

  I can also understand why someone would be reluctant to be GB when they know they are taking on all these wrong doctrines and organisational directions.

  This maybe why the drastic changes of late. I mean they are a bit trapped with 1914 and all that nonsense. To become GB means you agree that Jesus became king in 1914 and chose the one true religion in 1919. If you don’t think that is correct then what on earth can you do about it now?

  New light on 1914 would surely shock too much after all the changes recently
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Elena

  Yes it is clear by now he's incapable of producing in depth journalism/reporting on serious issues to do with JWs. He is always late never one of the first. Then he just copied what others have said.

  Lloyd if your reading this you need to realise you have been out for too long now and XJW activist community needs people who understand the organisation.

  Those who have been out for decades still think like the old organisation but they need to realise it’s a completely different organisation these days.

  I would guess than it won’t be all that long until it’s completely changed yet again.

  What the XJW activists need are members still physically in, or just about still in. They can speak in the correct manner about what’s going on.
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  Even with recent changes it’s a struggle to get people to attend

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the kingdom hall is still empty.

  even with amalgamation of 2 congregations.

  the elders are handling the microphones and there was only one comment from zoom at the watchtower.

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  Elena

  Yes attending the meeting and ministry groups dark is a growing trend. They can’t stop it because so many elderly and infirm rely on zoom. They can’t police it saying you are well enough to attend in person. If someone says they are not well how can someone tell them they are wrong.

  Yes those on zoom ministry groups don’t do letter writing anymore. They don’t hand out territory like they used to in covid. I think they said something about writing letters to out through not at homes yourself . But nobody really does this as far as I know.
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  Even with recent changes it’s a struggle to get people to attend

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the kingdom hall is still empty.

  even with amalgamation of 2 congregations.

  the elders are handling the microphones and there was only one comment from zoom at the watchtower.

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  Elena

  I have noticed everything getting shorted. When I was young it was about 20 paragraphs that were deep and long winded.

  now it’s written for low IQ people
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  A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

  by r51785 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

  the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

  this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

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  Elena

  Another proposal to solve the 1914 problems would be to admit the men who thought that up have all died and the current GB have inherited this false doctrine.

  The truth is everything hinges on 1914. Everything. Elders pray in the name of our reigning king Jesus. They teach that Jesus started ruling in 1914, this was when he battled with Satan and the demons and threw him out of heaven.

  I think there is no way they could admit they were wrong about this and survive. All they can do is not talk about it and hope JWs are so stupid, hey this has worked for many decades.
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  Even with recent changes it’s a struggle to get people to attend

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the kingdom hall is still empty.

  even with amalgamation of 2 congregations.

  the elders are handling the microphones and there was only one comment from zoom at the watchtower.

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  Elena

  I think all the huge changes are a desperate attempt to stop the haemorrhaging.

  The wish the zoom can of worms was never opened but they had to for covid. Now they can’t take it away for the genuine old and infirm, but what if someone simply says they are too ill and needs to stay on zoom?

  All KHs are so empty these days and the GB are in panic mode. They are desperate to think of something try anything but latest attempts have made it even worse.

  I heard a young person in a congregation said “I don’t like that guy” when Steve Lett came on with the beard new light. His mother said “you can’t say that he is a member of the GB”

  but it sums up what young people think and once the older ones die off there won’t be many left