Posts by Elena

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

Elena

Thomas I love your illustrations.

Yes more young people are learning than staying

these desperate last min attempts prove they are in panic mode

its not working so they will try even more reforms but they won’t work either

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consequences for going against the direction.

by jehovaxx in

there are no serious consequences for doubting the gb.

there are no consequences for going against the direction.

we can now celebrate anything.. what will happen if you take blood, celebrate xmas and birthdays ect?.

Elena

The new procedure sends out the clear message that the GB wants elders to avoid disfellowshipping people at all costs.

Got it in one Slimboy

it sounds like hardly anyone will ever be dfed and easy for those who have to come back.

so not much consequences for going against direction

yay

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the toll of being PIMO

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who are pimo, how do you feel it may be effecting your mental and physical health?

is it easy to pretend to be what you are not?

how do you feel about falsely supporting the pimi which builds them up and therefore an org you don't believe in?

Elena

The best advice for anyone taking doubts in a negative way is to reframe it.

Reframe your thoughts whatever you believe. Be content in knowing that you may not have the truth, or at least the entire truth. There is probably more to it.

This applies to both atheists and theists.

I suspect the GB will even come out and admit in the future that we may be wrong about lots of things. I also suspect most JWs know this already.

But we can still have hope in the Bibles promises even if we almost certainly don’t have absolutely the correct interpretation of the entire Bible

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Elders book

by Elena in

so there is going to be a big elders meeting for all body’s of elder this week to go over the changes.

i would imagine a great deal of the elders book is now obsolete and it would be too big a deal to update so much, maybe they will just make a new one?.

by the sound of it there are some more very large changes on the way anyway.. adjustments to handling serious wrongdoing in the congregation (s-395): a new document entitled adjustments to handling serious wrongdoing in the congregation is available in the "forms" section of the "documents" tab on jw hub.

Elena

So there is going to be a big elders meeting for all body’s of elder this week to go over the changes. I would imagine a great deal of the elders book is now obsolete and it would be too big a deal to update so much, maybe they will just make a new one?

By the sound of it there are some more very large changes on the way anyway.

Adjustments to Handling Serious Wrongdoing in the Congregation (S-395): A new document entitled Adjustments to Handling Serious Wrongdoing in the Congregation is available in the "Forms" section of the "Documents" tab on JW Hub. An elders' meeting will be held within the next week to review the direction provided in this document. In addition, the circuit overseer will review this material with the elders during his next visit to the con-gregation.

has anyone got this document S395 to post? Atlantis perhaps?

I would love to be a fly on the wall in my congregations elders meeting this week. These newly bearded Elders may be wearing jumpers, sweaters and all kinds of tops. I’m sure they are loving not having to wear ties.

we have had a few messy disfellowshippings and if this new light applied they wouldn’t have been DFed and not being shunned right now.

Elders will be extremely busy now with shepherding and now all these contacting DFed ones every six months. But at least they don’t have to wear ties or suits anymore🤣

This will not be good for the individual Elders talking to all these ones who will be expressing doubts about the GB. Every six months they will be saying can we come and have another chat, the DFed one will say yes but I still think the GB are not who they claim to be

I wonder what will happen about the elders book now?

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New rules for dress & greeting disfellowshipped: It's even worse!

by neat blue dog in

i know they're panicking and trying to gain favor with governments, former members, prospective converts & those who are teetering, all for financial worries.

still, the latest update in some ways made things worse, and if there's any jws watching it who are beginning to wake up it should be very disturbing.. starting with dress codes: they say that suits, ties & skirts are no longer required, but in so doing they admit that they were required, something not often appearing as an explicit command in print.

(similar to how lett referred to the "policy on beards" in his video, even though this direct policy wasn't made available to rank and file.

Elena

This years convention will be such a change from last year. Beards and jumpers and that’s just the elders.

then all the sister in trousers or slacks (does anyone outside the GB know what slacks are?) I didn’t know what slacks are and I’m a woman who has an interest in fashion.

The GB are in their own little bubble

what about a brother who wears a sweater to the meeting and then gets asked to volunteer to do a part? Or a sister not wearing a skirt but she is wearing slacks?

I wonder if KHalls can have a few spares out back

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

Elena

Someone should relay that clip of fat Tony Morris saying about the Norway government not giving them benefits unless they change their shunning policy then him saying WE WILL NEVER CHANGE

Now fat Mark Sanderson beard says we have changed

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

Elena

really think they've consulted with a PR firm that is advising to be more like a megachurch with casual dress

But this PR firm should have thought about all the trauma being brought back up for those who had to do a lot of work to move in with their lives

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New light

by Elena in

things are changing so rapidly.

there is so much confusion now.. if we can talk to disfellowshiped/disassociated ones to invite them to meetings then is it really going to stop there?.

some family members haven’t had contact for decades and now after yesterdays new light they will all be getting calls.

Elena

All the therapy to move on with their lives and now from today all that trauma will be brought back.

I hope the dissed ones who are suddenly getting calls from today will tell them that they had to do a lot of work to move on with the knowledge that my family are never going to talk to me ever again and now you are talking to me?

it’s so confusing for those still in the cult and those who have had to deal with the trauma and now it’s all being brought back up.

the GB didn’t think this new light through, they should have consulted someone smarter before announcing it

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New light

by Elena in

things are changing so rapidly.

there is so much confusion now.. if we can talk to disfellowshiped/disassociated ones to invite them to meetings then is it really going to stop there?.

some family members haven’t had contact for decades and now after yesterdays new light they will all be getting calls.

Elena

With this new light now millions of JWs with loved ones they have been told to shun for years or even decades. Now they are told they can actually talk to them after all in some new light. Last night changed everything from today many many dissed relatives are going to be gets call.

officially just to invite them to a meeting but after all these years they will ask how they have been all these years?

These loved ones who have been shunned for years even decades have had to deal with immense trauma and have had to do a lot of work to get over it. Many of them will be getting calls now and this will undo all the work they have done to get over this trauma forgetting their family because they shunned them. This will bring back all that trauma

They had to accept their JW family won’t ever talk to them ever again and move on, some of these shunned ones have had to do a lot of internal work to move on with their lives.

Now the GB have new light from Jehovah and these ones all get connected again, it will bring back all the trauma that they did so much work to cope with

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

Elena

Yes this is just the start. They are in panic mode.
To sum up where this man made organisation is heading “it’s upto your Bible trained conscience (accepting blood, xmas, sex outside marriage ect) and as to interpretation of scripture we just don’t know”
this will alleviate all future lawsuits but won’t be able to help with current lawsuits before this new light is announced.
JWs will become like most mainstream churches where members only go occasionally and don’t live upto what the church teaches but the religious leaders turn a blind eye otherwise they would lose most members.
if someone is breaking their rules they will have an announcement the elders are dealing with it, and that person will have shepherd calls asking what help they need
nobody will be shunned and those who were shunned will be begged to come back