Posts by Clambake

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Angel of the True God

by StarTrekAngel in

i usually open posts such as this one with disclaimer for the atheists/agnostics out there.

i respect your position and what i tried to do in posts like this one is discuss the bible, wether you believe the stories or not.. i believe it is well known that in jw doctrine it is thought that no one has ever seen god.

this teaching is also supplemented by the accounts of moises, where jehovah told him that no one can see him and yet live to tell the tale.. i, however, was always puzzled by some of the grammar in the bible where it seems to imply that god appeared to people.

Clambake

In the old testament the figure known as “the angel of the lord “ who is identified as god and being with god is thought to be the pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ.

Contradiction? ……………………….Kind of and not really. It depends on if you believe in the plurality of god in the old testament. You can’t see god the father just god the son. Thus you get the “ In the being was the word and the word was with god and was god “.

I really don’t understand it all and believe no one really does.

The interesting part about it , this concept is completely ignored in Jehovah witness theology. I think when studying the entire bible it appears jesus and god the father together comprised Jehovah, Yahway , LORD……………whatever you want to call him.

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FMF Rant on Abuse and JW Apologists: The Single Root of the Whole Issue(s)

by freemindfade in

for the jw apologists, they debate certain factors to down play all the recent sex abuse information in the jehovah's witness organization.

and there is so much focus on "two witness rule" and "parents can report" the "elders aren't legal authorities" and many other smoke screen issues.

a lot of these issues and discussion are down stream from what i believe to be the root of the issue.

Clambake

My wife went to her meeting last night and I asked her if there was any talk about the troubles in Australia. She had no clue and asked me what I was talking about. I told her about it and told her it was on CBC news. She just assumed it was an apostate website but when she found out it was from a legit source he eyes lit as big as dollar coins. She actually read the entire article.

I told her this is what happens when you have a religion that keeps secret files on its members, dismisses everything bad said about it as apostate lies and puts men in a position to tell its members they can’t see their families anymore if they don’t do this or that…………………………and you wonder why it attracts pedos like flies to shit.

She had no reply. No fight after either. I hope it was a break though moment.

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Have you ever shunned anyone after leaving the borg ?

by Clambake in

this isnt particularly a jw question but if anyone knows the world of shunning it would be ex-jws.

i have a friend who about three years ago had an abortion and i havent been too friendly with since that happened.

i havent said anything or done anything rude to her.

Clambake

So it's a phone thing. Ivf cycle

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Have you ever shunned anyone after leaving the borg ?

by Clambake in

this isnt particularly a jw question but if anyone knows the world of shunning it would be ex-jws.

i have a friend who about three years ago had an abortion and i havent been too friendly with since that happened.

i havent said anything or done anything rude to her.

Clambake

Ever been around a women who just spent 10000 plus dollars on a failed if cycle?

Do you understand not only the finicial but emotional commit?

Deleted. How constructive.

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Have you ever shunned anyone after leaving the borg ?

by Clambake in

this isnt particularly a jw question but if anyone knows the world of shunning it would be ex-jws.

i have a friend who about three years ago had an abortion and i havent been too friendly with since that happened.

i havent said anything or done anything rude to her.

Clambake

Well

This isn’t particularly a JW question but if anyone knows the world of shunning it would be ex-JWs.

I have a friend who about three years ago had an abortion and I haven’t been too friendly with since that happened. I haven’t said anything or done anything rude to her. We live in different cities and when I travel back home I don’t contact her. We do have some contact with email and facebook and such but not like before.

A little bit of background , me and my wife have had fertility problems for years. Fortunately for us she is finally pregnant but it was really hard for me watching her world fall apart every 28 days.

My friend got herself pregnant out of wedlock on purpose in her early 20s to a man with quite a lucrative profession and 12-13 years later when he really hits it big ( about 250,000 a year for 6 months work ) she find herself pregnant. Of course with the money and vacations there is no room for another child so off to the clinic.

Of course being none of my business I have never said anything to anyone and watching the way the wives so friends act, I never want to be that morally bankrupt but am I really being any better.

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Tim Horton's sucks. I thought it was supposed to be good?

by SnakesInTheTower in

jw
friends

so my wife and i went to th yesterday.

the chain started opening stores in the st. louis, mo area about a month ago.

by now the bugs should be worked out.

Clambake

I don't get the whole cult like following of tim Hortons in Canada. I think McDonald's makes better coffee. Outside of the iced cap it is all pretty average to me.

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Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

by CalebInFloroda in

when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

Clambake

Once having a back room meeting with an elder about the importance of my wife having her blood directive in order I asked the elder to give me a brief summary of the book of romans.

He asked why.

Then I was how about the book of acts then.

He told me I don't know where you going with this.

I then told him I don't think you could pass an entry level christian theology class in university. You are grossly under qualified to speak about spiritual matters and this meeting is over.

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Whatever Happened to the Remnant?

by snugglebunny in

jw
friends

back in the 50's, when i was just a skinny kid, my father became po of a new congregation.

he'd only been baptised for around 4 years, so his rise was quite remarkable.just one of his flock in the new cachement area was of the "remnant".

this lady was well into her 60's, childless but married.

Clambake

After the whole flip flop on the 1935 thing and the new understanding of the faithful slave being part of the " heavenly class " really has no meaning anymore. I don't even know why they still have the memorial.

Anyone find it kind of silly that ex-JWs have a better understanding of JW theology than actual JWs do.

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

Clambake

Ecclesiastes is a book of wisdom written by King Solomon which starts off describing the condition of men without god. Money is everything, When we are dead , we are just dead…………………………..oh wait………….Life sucks without god. That is the entire book in a nutshell.

A coles notes bible for dummies is more of a threat to the WTS than any apostate. Understanding individual book of the bible and how they relate to each other is “ taking in accurate knowledge ‘.

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Babylon the Great and the Anti Christ

by Perry in

similar views as those presented here are gaining in popularity in christian circles.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgmrfatdvtm.

Clambake

I wonder if JWs go to MIT or NASA message boards and try and hijack them with theology.

It sure seems funny how a disportionate number of ex-JW seem to be actual scientists.

Cofty……………… Why don’t you just Fuck off. If people want to discuss bible theology on a message board decided to people deceived by false theology.

You are just as pompous and arrogant as the most uber elder with all your Bill Nye the science guy crap. Go away

You are just an internet bully who needs to make himself the center of attention in every thread you touch.