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  Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

  by Viviane in

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  2. beliefs

  several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

  i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

  indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

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  Clambake

  I see the watchtower has trained you well young Jedi. Wear down your opponent with a pointless circular argument that goes nowhere.
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  Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

  i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

  indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

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  Clambake

  Asking religious people to prove the existence of god is like asking an atheist to disprove there being any intelligence in our design.

  Anyone with a sincere interest in all thing scientific wouldn’t waste their time with such a pointless endeavour.
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  Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

  i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

  indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

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  Clambake

  I hate when people spew philosophy and pretend they are doing it in the name of a scientific debate. This thread is nothing but pointless fluff.
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  Elders want to meet with us, help!

  by All for show in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my husband is awake,yay!

  we haven't been to meeting since february, although we attended the memorial.

  when jws have called us we say we are amazing, everything is awesome much to their shock.

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  Clambake

  I don’t know the exact details of how hard-ass your family are but I would blow the whole meeting out of proportion use it as an excuse to just not attend anymore.

  I had a friend who had his local BOE get involved with his marriage problems without him even asking them and felt they had really crossed the line. Both his witness and non-witness felt the same way about it. He just used it as excuse to fade away no questions asked.

  Make sure you are really petty and small. Something JWs are great at. They will understand.
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  Guess what I just got in the mail?

  by Question_Mans_interpretation in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i got an invitation from an ex mormon bishop to come learn how to witness to mormons.

  this guy is brave, he even invited the current local mormon bishop to attend.

  here's his website leebaker.4mormon.org.

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  Clambake

  As a Christian I believe Mormons are false religion and will prevent you from having a relationship with Jesus Christ.

  As a person I believe Mormons are pretty stand up people, with good values and Mormonism is pretty harmless. It is not nearly the soul sucking family destroying cult the WTS is. I really hate when the two are compared against each other.

  About every six months we get a new duo in my territory. I always love talking with them and buying them lunch. They always have some crazy stories about being mistaken as JWs, having run ins with JWs. It all pretty funny. One time they were having a house church and two JWs came to the door and were invited in the basement 20 mormons were waiting to argue.
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  The multitude that no man can number

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how can protection from destruction at armageddon be solely with the jehovah's witnesses when the great multitude is one that no man could number while the jehovah's witnesses put great effort into cooking statistics of how many jws there are worldwide?

  the unscriptural scare tactics they use are blatantly insulting to anyone who can read a bible.

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  Clambake

  I for one really find the book of revelations really interesting but find it is quite frightening how all WTS theology replies on it, with something being symbolic of this and that and up really meaning down and 1 plus 1 really meaning 3 etc etc.

  I don’t know of too many people in the secular academic community ( professor of religious studies ) that support the JWs and they don’t even have a dog in the fight either way. It is pretty scary these people go to go trying to teach the bible.

  Well, if Jew means those with the heavenly hope and 144000 is a literally number and great crowd means those who live on paradise earth.
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  When doers Babylon the Great Fall? :)

  by The Searcher in

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  take your pick!!.

  kj chap.

  15 p. 286 par.

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  Clambake

  Evangelical View of the End Times

  1. A revived Roman Empire lead by a man called the anti-Christ promises peace and security to god people (the modern day state of Israel). This might be NATO, A stronger Eurozone when they kick all the loser nations of it.

  2. After a peace treaty is signed to protect Israel, Israel is attacked by a hoard of nations from Central Asia to North Africa.

  3. Christians are raptured to heaven

  4. Jesus lands in Jerusalem, the Big A and 1000 year reign of Christ.

  I just love how the JWs explain it, how they are the only ones who have any faith. Religion is illegal now, you have to quit it. Tell that to the towelheads. LoL
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  Impossible conversation: Jesus and Nicodemus: YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am a member on new testament scholar bart ehrman's blog, and the professor is currently outlining a new book he is writing about false memory and the life of jesus.. an interesting post occurred today in which he gives an example of a very famous scripture,.

  example of a false memory of jesus teaching i turn to a famous passage in the gospel of john, jesus dialogue with nicodemus (john 3:1-15).

  nicodemus is said to be a jewish leader who comes up to jesus and affirms that jesus must come from god because of the great things that he said to have done.

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  I can’t claim to be an expert on the subject but I have seen a few debates between Ehrman and Daniel B Wallace and what scares me about Ehrman about is he is very similar to the Watchtower, dealing more in conspiracies than probabilities

  1. All Christian scholars know there are a number of textural variations. Scribes aren’t photocopy machines. There are even about 20 verses that might have been just plain added. Doctrinally it doesn’t change anything. It is the 99.5 % that is the same that is more interesting than the .5 that is different.

  2. Since we don’t have the original copies of the new testament , how do you know it wasn’t all changed ? Well that kind of logic seems to be the foundation of all so called Christian cults, the bible is the inspired word of god, expect where it was changed. If the 5000 or so 3rd century copies that are 99 % the same isn’t enough proof that it most likely wasn’t altered , nothing will ever be enough proof.
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  Is it common for old men to marry young JW?

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  2. friends

  i left in the 90's and marriage partners were similar in age at my former congregation.

  i ran into a former jw friend from my childhood.

  i haven't seen him in 15 years.

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  Clambake

  My wife told me about some of the setups and blind dates she had to endurance before she went fishing outside the pond. In her mid 20 the elders would think nothing of setting her up with a man in there mid 50s. She though it was absolutely disgusting.

  I had a Grandma that was 20 years younger than my Grandpa. It is not a good situation later in life. You go from husband and wife to nurse and patient.

  On a somewhat related note, we have a couple in our cong that looks like Penny from the Big Bang married to comic book from the Simpsons. It is odd. At least she married in the lord.
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  Just had a blow up with jw mom and she said the bible referenced angels being called gods, it that true?

  by Question_Mans_interpretation in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  long story short my mom was acting weird, snubbing me, when i tried bringing her grandkids to see her, so i tried again and this time i just went up and hugged her since she wouldn't hug me or acknowledge any affection.

  when i released her i immediately saw her annoyed look and asked what?

  bang, she unleashes a floodgate of how she's still mad at me for going to another church that believes the trinity.

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  Clambake

  In the Old Testament you have a plurality to god. God often refers to himself as more than one being. The Old Testament also has a number of contradictions about not being able to see or hear god, but in the Old Testament you have people who have directly seen and heard god.

  Now in the Old Testament you have a figure called “the angel of the lord “which is identified as god, being with god and god’s heavenly ruler.

  Contradictions??? Yes. Does anyone fully understand it ?? No.

  In the new testament when john says “ in the beginning, there was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god “, do you think the author thought of Jesus as god as an important person or do you think believes Jesus was the manifestation of god in the flesh ?? Considering the next line is “no one has seen the father only the son”…………..I think it is pretty obvious there is a belief that Jesus is the angel of the lord from the Old Testament.

  The figure that was identified as god and being with god.

  Now a well trained JW is going to be all “ Well, how can that be , blah blah blah “ . I just assume there are spiritual things that beyond the realm of human understanding.

  Now if you want to say the bible is complete bullshit , that is fine but the idea of Jesus existing with his father as Yahwah, Jehovah, LORD of the old testament is pretty clear.

  I find once you study the bible and study the bible with the DUBs, it seems the DUBs are more on a mission to disprove the bible and they are so stupid they don’t even see it.