Clambake

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  what is the ontlogical trinity

  by piledriver in

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  the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .

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  Clambake

  I think when you look at the figure called the angel of the lord in the old testament who is identified as god and being with god, the plurality of god in the old testament, the claims of Christ himself and how the writers of the use the old testament quotes applying them to both Christ and god, it don’t think the trinity is an unreasonable thing to believe.

  Of course if you want to bamboozle people with the fine print, it definitely can be done. Jehovah Witnesses are good at that. Think so far outside the box, you forget how to think within it.
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  A call from family - Armageddon this month!

  by kaik in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i very seldom receive a call from my jw siblings, i mean seldom.

  i can count them on my hand in past 10 years.

  while we talk about mom a lot and i am in touch with her, i was very surprised when i received this call.

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  Clambake

  I find it odd how the WTS can claim to be a channel to god and give you a chronology of how the end times are going to play out while scaring the crap out of members at the same time with no evidence of what they are claiming coming true.

  I don’t see the U.N making all religion illegal.

  I don’t see a group of nations roughly from Central Asia to North Africa united in its destruction of the WTS.

  If what you say is going to happen isn’t coming true, why does anyone care?
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  A call from family - Armageddon this month!

  by kaik in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i very seldom receive a call from my jw siblings, i mean seldom.

  i can count them on my hand in past 10 years.

  while we talk about mom a lot and i am in touch with her, i was very surprised when i received this call.

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  Clambake

  The idea of Russian involvement in the middle east ( Mog and Magog )and Armageddon is a total evangelical made in America idea and totally doesn’t fit with any of the WTS so called bible based chronology. It seems odd they witnesses would pay any attention to it.

  Make you tell them this and if you feel so strongly about it maybe it is time to leave the WTS. Flee Flee false religion.
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  If JWs Were More Tolerant Would It Help Their Money Woes?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they don't want you bettering yourself.

  they hate college education.they applaud you if you quit full time secular work and instead, "pioneer".

  they cry that they have money problems.

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  Clambake

  I think telling people to skip college and encouraging people to become dishwashers and rug cleaners may finally be catching up WTS. You can’t survive on min. wage and really what is the average income of a JW.

  Plus, who the hell wants to donate to some global pedophile defence fund. Awake or not, I think more people are aware of what is going on and just taking a stand with their check book.
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  Did you like hymns as a jw?

  by jean-luc picard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just explaining to mrs picard........ never a jw, and not english, how we used to celebrate the harvest festival, when i was 7 and younger, before my parents converted to jw'ism.. i loved to sing "we plough the fields and scatter".

  of course, singing such hymns is, to a jw, paramount to apostasy,with the death penalty like punishment the ensued.. how really stupid their harsh rules.. did you have any favourite hymns?.

  i think we would all agree, that they beat the pants off the "kingdom melodies".

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  Clambake

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TsL0DO-c1E

  Christian rock

  Too funny

  ( I actually do like some )
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  Canadian JW's exerting themselves vigorously. Really?

  by clarity in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there were at least four jw's to one lone man on the street.

  they look to be mostly elders.

  if they are ... is this the example they really want to set.

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  Clambake

  I had a JW come to my doors once and asked “Do you really believe in the trinity? “ Like I was some kind of idiot.

  I was of course I do. If you look at the bible and see

  1. Plurality of god in the old testament

  2. The Angel of the Lord from the old testament who is identified as god and being with god.

  3. The claims of Christ himself

  4. The way Paul uses the old testament quotes implying them to both Jesus and God at the same time.

  He just turned his back and walked away. Didn’t even say good bye. ( Not that I want to get into a discussion about the trinity)

  I know this guy was quite aggressive but I think it proves having a serious discussion or exchange of ideas about the bible or bible theology is quite impossible.
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  Will Adam Eve be resurrected? If not why? WT tell us.

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
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  jan. 15, 1960 wt.

  page 53.

  "since the supreme judge never makes a mistakes, there is no need for him to take under.

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  Clambake

  I am still trying to figure out wherein the bible it says the resurrection will be a selective process .

  I have always found it quite disturbing the average JW thinks an SS guard gassing children in the death camps will get a second chance on paradise earth because he is dead……………..yet the average person who says thanks not interested to a JW at the door with face the ultimate punishment at the big A .
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  Reading the Bible in 6 months isn't "anything to brag about" - Anthony Morris

  by mac n cheese in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the 2015 annual meeting, specifically, part 1, right about minute 27, has anthony morris emphasizing that "you're better off reading one chapter (of the bible) and really absorbing it" than just reading the whole thing "as a challenge".

  while i agree with the the whole idea of meditating on anything you read, it was doing this very thing that brought up so many unanswered questions.

  i also came to the constant realization that the jws did not have a clue about what the bible really said.

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  Clambake

  What his ulterior motive really is , he is saying it impossible for you to understand the bible. It takes years and years of study to find the hidden codes since our entire religion is based on turning a parable into a prophecy and twisting things into the apocalyptical books of the bible.

  If you read the bible and really didn’t study like we do you might think the bible is the story of god coming to earth in the flesh and the transfer of the blessing from the jewish people to the body of Christ.

  No No No. What the bible really is , is the story of the heavenly hopers and earthly hopers and the overlappers and the 1935ers and the faithful slavers and the evil slavers and 1919ers and on Tuesday its is the blah blah blah blah. Bamboozle Bamboozle.

  Basically don’t read it, read our books and send us your money.

  Lying cocksucker.
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  Did you like hymns as a jw?

  by jean-luc picard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just explaining to mrs picard........ never a jw, and not english, how we used to celebrate the harvest festival, when i was 7 and younger, before my parents converted to jw'ism.. i loved to sing "we plough the fields and scatter".

  of course, singing such hymns is, to a jw, paramount to apostasy,with the death penalty like punishment the ensued.. how really stupid their harsh rules.. did you have any favourite hymns?.

  i think we would all agree, that they beat the pants off the "kingdom melodies".

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  Clambake

  I can’t say I really have a favorite hymm but I have always thought it was kind of odd that each Cong seems to have its own band. Usually just over the hillers who like to play CCR and Beatles covers at JW socials. Only in JW world could secular music be better than worship music. You would literally get in more trouble having a Jars of Clay or P.O.D cd than a Slayer disc.

  As for Kingdom melodies, Fuck they suck. They should be used at Gitmo bay to get info from terrorists.
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  Did Jesus really die on a cross?

  by macys in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.

  when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.

  yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.

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  Clambake

  I have heard this debate before and the biggest factor against the torture stake argument is Jesus and the criminals would have died of suffocation in about 20 minutes on the torture stake. The whole idea of extending the arms on the cross was to prolong the suffering.

  Mind you, JWs to me are more about disproving the bible than actually teaching it.