i have been searching pro and anti arguments for trinity, and found out there are anti-trinitarians who believe jesus did not preexist before his human life.
and i am thinking, it kind of makes sense.
what if yahweh created a second adam.
Hi paradsebeauty,
Wish you find "the beauty" in every word used in the Bible, only...it is so much work to study all these thousands words....if I wouldn have nearly 40 years of "bible-reading" behind me, I would totally collapse in view of the big job to understand everything.
on one hand, wtbts blame you if you choose to work instead of pioneering, and on the another hand, they ask crazily amount of money!.
isn't it paradoxal ?.
if every jw leave his job and pioneer, no more money!.
Did you like to be a publisher more or did you like more to be a proclaimer?
referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
Dear MessianicChristian,
thanks for your extensive comment on the subjects parable of the weeds, FDS-Class and what is church in general.
First I appreciate your comment that you made that in the parable Jesus did not mean special classes or groups e.g. the slave who asks " Didnt you sow good wheat?" is not a class or group but a role created for rethoric question reason like in all parables. This attracts my attention because the Faithful slave too would of course not a group but merely a figure create to shake us up. I am no linguist an no theologian, I am only collecting what is interesing for me. Sometimes I am shocked how one-sided someone can interprete the bible.
I accept your interpretation of the church history, that you think there was no "true" church at all, but a some kind of "imitating" church but I cannot understand it. You mention some facts e.g. the deleting of Tetragrammaton from the LXX Septuaginta, or some versions of it, of which I read, but I have read the contrary too, where I dont know now, it is of course very important fact if you say that the church deleted Gods name from the Bible, as JW do, i would like to talk about it later, and that the the "christianity" has a fake Jesus, an demiurg Jesus, a platonic Jesus, perhaps even an pagan jesus OMG, ,,, my first thought, didnt already the first christian resist gnosics, didnt the Catolic church resist the gnostic misinterpretation, because Jesus would be demiurg, and you say the contrary..... confuses me totally. Okay perhaps somehow I will check the matter someone.
Are you member of a group called messian christian, are you messian jew? do you know Roger Liebi? I like to watch his videos about prophesies e.g. he interprets that the people of Israel will return to Israel and how many prophesies have been fulfilled in the last years, that a 3rd temple will be built, that then jesus will come to earth and then everything will be super. Yes messianic Jews already prepare the 3rd temple now. The end is near. And their will be Armagedon yes in Megidoo, and he shows the details about the battle, where the events will take place, from where the king of north is coming, everyhting in detail he finds in the bible. Also you hear that the Medes were the type for the antipye Kurds. I liked to watch because of the similarities of messianic jews, JW and adventists, but after watching all that stuff, I am always been happy that I dont believe in these antitype-phantasiy may itcome from JW, adventist, mormon or messianic jews altogether I dont like type-antitype religions. It makes me addicted to always more more more prophesies......to hear always more more more types .......... and yet more antitypes to understand the fulfilment of the prophesies.
The catolic church in contrary is very restraint with all chiliastic and type-antitype phantasies.
E.g. Will the Mede destory Bablyon, will the Kurd destory the iraq terrorists? "That medes would destroy Bablyon" See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold. Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children. Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians’ pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there. (Isaiah 13:17-20)
I liked to watch because of the similarities of messianic jews, JW and adventists, but after watching all that stuff, I am always been happy that I dont believe in these misinterpretations my they come from JW, adventsit, mormon or messianic jews altogther mainly a type-antitype religion concept that makes addicted to always more more more prophesies.......more more more types .......... and yet more antitypes.
The catolic church in contrary is very restraint with all chiliastic and type-antitype phantasies.
Greetings.
P.S. Isn't the Catolic church critisized in many films because it fought the gnostics books and dit not include the gnosic writings into the bible canon? Why then could it happen that the church adopted gnosic ideas? Apostasy into the greek philosophy, why should they do that?
im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.
im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.
here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?
The books odd old testament are mere collections of old tribal legends, rediscovered by Esra, then revised editited in babylon by theologians and scribes to suit to the situation after the exil, and puublished in jerusalem as only truth , add the dates if you like. The story about moses is surely not written by him. The countless victories of jhwh over cities in canaan are produced legends or theological type stories, to teach that trust in jhwh is more important than fighting. Numbers were ficion, in the old time it was necessary to boast as much as possible, because the people of israel were in reality not so much as the bible reports give impression. Numbers are fiction, the same with "we killed so many........."old storys were written down...to create a big history of a nation.....
the purpose of this topic is twofold.. first, any who are endlessly fascinated by scholarship, practised by genuine bible scholars, are urged by me to do what i did, subscribe to bart ehrman's blog.
the subscription money (as little as $3.95) goes entirely to charity.. secondarily, by broadening our view of the new testament era on up through two millennia to the present day, our knowledge of all things 'christian' is deepened to include actual knowledge (as opposed to watchtower fabrication.
by this i don't mean to imply you'll fall to your knees and get saved, but rather, you'll simply have facts to inform your present transitional mindset toward whatever end you finally choose.. now .
http://crossexamined.org/is-the-new-testament-reliable-erhman-refutes-ehrman/
So who is a Bart Ehrman and who is a Bruce Metzger- Follower here?
referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
My 7 arguments against the "Weedlike christian" allegoric misuse
1. John 21,15-17: Jesus asked Peter to have the office of oversight, "Take care of my sheep, feed my lambs"
2. Matthew 16,13-20: The congregation will not be overpowered by the Hades, also not by the weed, church is founded on a massive rock not an unsecure sand.
3. Matthew: 13,30 Jesus described himself as farmer, he would be an awkward farmer if he would not protect the wheat before decay overgrowing, over-poisoning, if weed is evident too is not outside the congreation but in the midst of the congregation. There is a positive undertone, our time is a time of healing, of growth, a time to let the faith grow. The evil is in the whole world, but hope remains.
4. Matthew 26,26 The new covenant was not founded at Lord supper as powerless covenant to be overpowered through apostosy. As the anointed are one body with Jesus, Jesus Christ himself would be overpowered, because the partakers are partaking in his body.
5. Matthew 28,16 Holy Spirit protects congregation as comforter and advocate in difficult times.
6. Matthew 12,15-21 On the side of " gods chosen servant" , the anointed are blessing for all nations. Total apostosy after the apostels death would be no bleassing for the mankind though. God kingdom a kingdom of missuccess?
7. Further the church, as ecclesia, assembly, company, a people of god are described as spiritual body of christ, temple of god. How could he allow an apostasy over hundreds of years?
In this new convenant it is like God fell in love with you and doesnt abondon you anymore, his beloved anointed, he fell in love in the "Wonderofyou".
Happy sunny Sunday
observing our local unemployed pioneers and how long they take to get to their first or next call, usually taking the longest route to get to one they know won't be there anyway.
along the way it's gossipy this and that.
pioneers?
With 17 I made streetservice at the railway station, in front of a bakery, even schoolmates passed by and sometimes a young hot sister .... even after 30 y she greeted me last year, that astonished me. Later I got known for my special street service, not standing but walking around. I threw away many mags cause i bought too much, i worked 2 years only 25 hours for pioneering, but i could not cope with the hours most time.This was depressing for me. The eteneral single life was depressing too.i was sometims euphoric and sometimes depressed. Wanted to be an example, finally what other way is in the truth? Or better work, save money, found a family, but where is the girl, not one to find........ waiting ..................it was a time of doubt too. The blood issue became a monstrious important thing in my mind. I was not happy in pioneering, the whole lifestyle as jdub became senseless.
knowing ttat but still holding on to christian beliefs, was it of any value?
are they finally leaning toward being a more "christian" religion?
15 he said to them, go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16 whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
17 and these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.. 19 after the lord jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of god.
matthew ch 10. .
23 when you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.
truly i tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of israel before the son of man comes.. and i always questioned the wt avoidance on this .
