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  Faithful Slave is not appointed yet - only in the future

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  did you read this study articel in which the slave says it is not appointed yet?.

  excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8. so there is good reason for us to understand matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Brief summary for busy ones (who live in the endtime) of the subject, considering your comments and notes with a really broad variety of views.

  Q: Is the FDS already appointed? Scripture Matthew 24,45-51

  A: NO

  Reasons
  

  1. because the slave itself is permanently changing its view about the own identity (once all bethelits who slaved away making books were treated as FDS)
  2. not completely, because there were 2 appointments and only the second would be over all belongings.
  3. its only a parable anyway – Peter in Luke 12:41(Q behind: Is there any real spiritual appointment as oversight given to the FDS. A. Perhaps no.)
  4. it supposedly was used only as transition into the next chapter (from 24 to 25) and was overrated, and was used in the context as general counsil only and as answer to the question in Matthew 24,3 about the endtime and return of christ.
  5. An actual wise servant wouldn't look like a Tele-evangelist
  6. would not empower itself at the cost of lives and deaths only to think of being subservient
  7. a wise servant would not be attacked of a rise of lawsuits and loss of tax-exempetion, those things should happen only to false religions with unwise leaders.
  8. supposedly the parable of the slave + the coming/return of Jesus served the purpose of fuelling the „christ“-movement and everything has no meaning without establishing the catolic faith
  9. it cannot be already appointed „over all belongings“ at all before Jesus' return because such a reward is only awaited for the time after the memorial of jesus death and the handing over of the symbols at the memorial would have ceased. (=until he arrives) (order of events: 1. coming/return 2. reward)
  10. the intended audience was supposedly the apostels
  11. a real appointment would be big disappointment on earth if and when during the tribulation shortly before armageddon the anointed faithul servant would die and be raptured. ( would lead to the assumption that the appointment inclueds the heavenly reward)
      
      

  If I would appoint a winner, i would like to select: 

  
  An actual wise servant wouldn't look like a Tele-evangelist ;-)
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  In Italy: Major Newspaper Coverage of the JW Pedophilia Scandal

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the excellent italian ex-jw website geova.org directs its readers' attention to two big news articles on the jw pedophilia problem.

  milan-based il corriere della sera is one of italy's most respected newspapers:.

  http://www.corriere.it/video-articoli/2016/05/11/i-testimoni-geova-casi-pedofilia-non-denunciati/919c8e32-1794-11e6-aaf6-1f69bf4270d2.shtml.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Its really time for the changing organisation to change. Who will pass this change? The members of the little christian group called jehovah witnesses are worth for a change that leads to improvement. They are after all a random phenomenon. But there is room for improvement in this changing organisation. And change starts often in little groups. It could have a big mass effect! Good luck!
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  Faithful Slave is not appointed yet - only in the future

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  did you read this study articel in which the slave says it is not appointed yet?.

  excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8. so there is good reason for us to understand matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.

  * (see endnote.

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  TheWonderofYou

  My train of thought would lead to the next logical but unimaginable and unbearable burden of responsibility for the faithful slave (group leading JWs) inmidst of the great tribulation.

  Clear is that the FDS receives the authority over "all belongings" of Jesus Christ only in the great tribulation and not before. What would that mean?

  That the FDS would be jointly responsible with Jesus Christ for destroying the false religion = to plan the attack, by usage of the United Nations and judging over the goats as co-judges [btw are not the false religions a fraction of the quantity goats?]. It could even be a human cooperation between FDS and United Nations forces to destroy false religion, in a manner of speaking. I think nobody likes such an interpretation.

  What did we learn? If you are appointed over all belongings by Jesus himself you cant choose only the lucky side.
  Dont they catch what they are teaching?

  First, false religion will be destroyed....
  when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. ...when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. (paragraph 19)

   We concluded that those who rejected the Kingdom message and who died before the start of the great tribulation would die as goats—without the hope of a resurrection.
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  Faithful Slave is not appointed yet - only in the future

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  did you read this study articel in which the slave says it is not appointed yet?.

  excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8. so there is good reason for us to understand matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.

  * (see endnote.

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  TheWonderofYou

  I can live with a progressive responsibility because everyone of us develops. But what is the sense of an appointment over all belongings at all if it happens in the last moments of this world right shortly before the new world anyway comes, why this honor only for this little time of the end, would that be a honory office or a medal or would that affect even the daily work in the great tribulation and judgement?

  It sounds strange that the honor of being appointed over all belongings begins just with the great tribulation to watch the judgment and doing nothing else.

  Even if the honor would remain 1000 years or even longer but why does this honor over all belongings not begin already before the tribulation so that the slave could prepare itself for this tribulation better ? 

  Perhaps I dont understand what the belongings in this parable are at all. It would be a better, a real cool honor to get appointed over all belonging not in the tribulation but only in the new world.

  Explanation of expression "great tribulation": ,,, dont the goats include the false religions? Why first the religions and than the goats isnt that the same group?

  Great tribulation: The end of this wicked world. First, false religion will be destroyed. Then, there will be a time when Jesus will judge the sheep and the goats and appoint his faithful slave over all the Master’s belongings. Finally, the rest of this system will be destroyed at Armageddon
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  Faithful Slave is not appointed yet - only in the future

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  did you read this study articel in which the slave says it is not appointed yet?.

  excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8. so there is good reason for us to understand matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Did you read this study articel in which the Slave says it is not appointed yet? Errors excepted.

  Excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8

  So there is good reason for us to understand Matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that Jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.* (See endnote.) Jesus’ prophecy shows that all eight of these scriptures that mention his coming refer to the time of judgment during the great tribulation.

  If the FDS - faithful and discreet slave /group of men leading Jehovash witnesses - has not been appointed 1918 over the belongings of our faith - belongings like feeding, supervision, shepherding and providing spiritual  food, providing the NWT of the bible, new headquarters  and not to forget providing judgicial commitee instructions and providing legal representation in case of members face gross loss of blood  - then why should anybody listen to it?

  Everything written and taught since 1918 was not authorized by jesus christ at all! It erroneously wrote Watchtower study articles and seduced members to think it was appointed by jesus 1918. Can anyone lead us without being appointed? Didnt the Watchtower leaders lead astray christians herewith, was not that the proclamation  "Here I am", as if they were the sole slave who followed Jesus*footsteps?.

  So Watchtower s Leaders are simply like all other christians urged to be faitfhul but they are not appointed over all belongings of Jehovahs witnesses, they write it themselves in their own magazin, they can only hope to get appointed in the future. So they have no authority over us at all to ask us to come back. 

  I will follow the Watchtower only if it should happen - some day - in the great tribulation that Jesus will appoint these men effectively over all belongings. But this is actually to happen in the future as announced the Watchtower 2015.

  This contradicts the official statements that the faitful slave is identical with the governing body and that the GB has the authority over all JWs already NOW.

  Errors excepted!

  Happy weekend all.
  
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  NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM

  by apocalypse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".

  the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".

  this is huge.

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  TheWonderofYou

  One year ago a 65 year old witness whom I knew 30 years before when I was a witness said hello and we talked a little. It got awkward when he told me in front of other people at the cash that I had obviously a problem with authority in the congregation (what was never a point of issue at all, he simple doesnt know the real facts) and than he gave me a fine witness in front of all and said that it is now clear that "we" have the truth, because it "has very much become clear in the last decades - a fact of common accepted knowledge - how wise it is not to accept blood transfusions". P.S. I remember myself how I ran after the signatures for my blood card in the 80's. But for me that was an important milestone. I began to think about the consequences of the whole issue. 

  
  So its clear and I fear: There is no hope.
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  Regional Convention

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so how many are not going to the regional convention this year?

  it will be my first year not attending as part of my fade.. i remember going for all of my childhood into adult hood, participating in stage parts even.. however, last assembly i was already mentally checked out.

  i remember looking around and seeing all of people bobbing & nodding at the program talks that had been previously repeated time and time again.. almost seemed like hypnosis.. i also had a hard time with the fact that we're all supposed to be "friends" and everyone had always seemed to be so judgmental.. especially at conventions & assemblies.. things like who had the best outfit for the days, who looked the prettiest, who can snag the single ms brother.. who took the most spiritual food out of the program, how many times can you tally mark jehovah's name.

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  This year I feel kind of tempted going ....

  ...I did that some years ago with the result that

  I felt inconvenient, I had to hide my identy and played an interested person who for the first time attended a big convention, then I saw of course someone I knew distantly. I didnt want to meet someone of my former cong. I was assigned to a place next to a 10 year older couple from another part of the counry and they shared there songbook or wt with me. After the closing prayer they gave me there address.

  The drama about returning to God was emotional and I had tears in my eyes when we sang some new songs.

  Tears because the songs were emotional and I understood....

  I didnt want to return to JW ORG but understood really deep in this moments, that JW ORG doesnt have the truth about Jesus and that Jesus must even be very sad how they use Jehovah falsely as prophet of armagedon and over the fact that JW would perhaps never understand how much they are loved by the real father of eterny Jesus.
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  Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow this is interesting!

  i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

  they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Missing: "Remain Loyal :

  - As shunned lost little sheep in different difficult phases of disassociation

     1. facing the evil eyes of the wolves

     2. facing the mockery

      3. bearing the misery of loneliness

  - As lost son remembering your father while brothers are disfellowhipping you because you smoke weed and swig and waste the money who the father invested in panama.
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  Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow this is interesting!

  i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

  they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

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  Cant await to make marginal notes in the bible pages again each time the word Loyality appears.. I should ultimately catch what is the current and latest understanding of the slave about what loyalty means this year 2016.

  So I IMITATE the slave who  the best eample of  faithfulnesss and service and shun wrong behaviours snd wrongdoers who read the bible and think independentwhile permanently i await new lights from a single word, a new fascinating  insight perhaps better than last year.

  Thank you slave that you did this great job to merge all appearances of loyalty into one singleprogram, the best ever, really necessary food for this year, we wont forget in our brain.

  It must be the only true religion, if they even dont fear to speak about shunning publicly. They are not shutting up and have no fear of man. Like jesus.
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  New Feature on JW Library

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are a couple new tabs on the app, one of which is the 'meetings' tab.

  can you guess what the other one is?.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Thats for the free public speech on sunday, while media production& library as well as online content keeping up to date for educational reasons is an expensive service.

  Donations can be made privately thats easier online at home.

  While in the meetings nobody is disturbed by thoughts about empty purses of widows

  No cash mashines soon in the meeting and assembling halls and more silent last wills anonymously,  may it come!