Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Stupid things happen - Bethelite guarantees 16-year old visitor-girls bethel-admission

by TheWonderofYou in

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just watching this video about a bethel member, single again - gives advice at morning worship.he tries to convince young 16 year old girls who visit bethel and eat in the cafeteria to marry him.he offers the full blessings as wife of a prince in the new world and gives arguments that speakfor a fast decision... shocking stupidy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4udiaarpay.

in another video of ex-bethelite (how women are treated) a bethel elder is mentioned who talked to brothers at the table and gave advice abouth marriage and said that it would be the best to marry a women when is as young and pretty as possible, (at 8:45) so you have the possibilty to train her and to mode her in to what you want and get her used in the roles you set for her..... other bethelits made big errors and married older women 24,25.women that would have their own concepts of what bethel or marriage should be.

TheWonderofYou

Just watching this video about a bethel member, single again - gives advice at morning worship.
He tries to convince young 16 year old girls who visit bethel and eat in the cafeteria to marry him.
He offers the full blessings as wife of a prince in the new world and gives arguments that speak
for a fast decision... shocking stupidy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4udiaaRpAY

In another video of ex-bethelite (how women are treated) a bethel ELDER is mentioned who talked to brothers at the table and gave advice abouth marriage and said that it would be the best to marry a women when is as young and pretty as possible, (at 8:45) so you have the possibilty to TRAIN her and to MODE her in to what you want and get HER USED in the roles you set for her..... other bethelits made big errors and married older women 24,25.women that would have their own concepts of what bethel or marriage should be. All guys were smiling and agreeing. Women who have a lot of MOUTH, ATTITUDE and OPINON.

That contradicts the bible!.

The bethel elders are USING their women as willingful pretty puppets, and USING is the first step to "misuse". They not only disobey Christs command for marriage but teach young brother to USE their wifes.!

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Perfect Example of JW Dumbing Down

by thedepressedsoul in

just take a look at this video.

i think arguing or debating scriptures is the most pointless thing ever.

everything at their meetings are so basic with no explanation.

TheWonderofYou

The sister is very sympathic. Its a pitty that those sisters are not sent to us DFSed to explain us in detail the LAW OF LOVE without bible, but instead discuss endless with funny Israelites.

The subject that was discussed in the beginning was the evil in the world, who is the wicked. The Israelites said that the wicked are people of Edom. That was surprising change of argumentation. And then to the nation of Israel.

The householders expected obviously that the JW are more well-versed in the bible if they go door-to door and abused the visit for their purpose.

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Feel like starting a New Ministry! True Bible Students

by SonoftheTrinity in

i think studying the king james bible, and the jacobean flavored translations of the apocrypha and pseudipigrapha, whether you believe in them or not, is an essential part of being a culturally rooted english speaker.

i used to belong to an organization that advocated reading a chapter a day, but had no actual faith requirement to be a member.

20c a week and read the kjv a chapter a day, no lifestyle requirement, no doctrinal litmus test.

TheWonderofYou

Will you come to my door?

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Brooklyn WT Building sells for $340 million usd

by Sanchy in

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it seems they sold the brooklyn headquarters building for $340 million.

this according the an article here.

TheWonderofYou

The millions of manhours of voluntary work that has been performed by human slaves of the watchtower societey N.Y. to maintain this building in work and in beauty over the years, should not be forgotten.

Therefore the new owners of the house should be urged to fix a table in the foyer bearing the inscription:

"This house was refurnished by slave workers of Jehovahs witnesses and served through slaves effort as headquarter of JW, controlling the slave worker habitat, slave worker manufactury and slave worker control center called faithful slave resort what ever"

Or a part of the immense sum should be dedictated to the national slave workers' fundation to pay out retirement or health care for non identifiicable voluntary workers.

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Okay it was bought years ago and now it was sold. Thats all, keep cool. who cares.

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Jehovah God,Christ Jesus ,IBSA ,why no direct communication between Heaven and Earth ?

by smiddy in

according to jehovah`s witnesses christ jesus was enthroned in heaven in 1914 .. the international bible students ,c.t.russell as president was approved byjesus christ shortly after as the channell approved by jehovah god to dispense spiritual food to his faithful followers here on earth.. why is it that after 100 years of jesus christ rule from heaven over his chosen people , the jw`s , that their is no direct contact between jesus christ and his earthly channell of communication ,namely the wtb&ts , and no direct contact from jehovah god either.. jw`s do not claim to have direct contact with god or jesus christ , isnt that strange ?

after 102 years ruling as king ?.

jesus christ is the greater moses , moses had direct contact with god and his people , so shouldnt the greater moses ,jesus christ have direct contact with his people especially since he is now ruling over them from heaven ?.

TheWonderofYou

How do we come to "INSPIRATION",

theópneustos . Paul used a greek word in 2. Tim. 3,16f to describe the worth of the scriptures.

It fitted to the in vers 15 mentioned "holy scriptures" of the jews.

I appears only once in the bible. And only after it was translated into latin as divinitus inspirata we came to our
"inspiration".

It is mostly understood as passive activity of men. The writer sits and the spirit comes. But this passive interpretation of the greek word theopneustos is not acceptable for biblescholars, better would be the interpretation "breathing god spirit".

2. Tim 3,16 reminds scholars of the Rabbinic notion that the spirit speaks prophetically in the texts. Each scripture is inspired. The texts can be quasi fanned out in such a manner that different speakers can be distinguished.

Conclusio:

If I interpret everything correct the word "inspired" would not refer to the magical formation and writing of the scriptures in the past, the how it was done, at all and Paul only spoke about the "ingenious content" of the scriptures, using the expression " breathing gods spirit" .

This has some consequences especially to the matter which sprictures then are those that are "breathing gods spirit" and "ingenious of content"? That is why lately the church or the scholars decided always which scriptures are ingenious an which not.

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To understand the meaning of inspiration correctly in jewish-christian framework you must study the jewish understanding of the "words of god", of a god who speaks in the "law" or the "prophetic words", means the concept "holy scripture" AND THIS IS VERY SOPHISTICATED:

What we understand under inspiration today sometimes - personal dictate - is not the same what was meant 2000 years ago and not the same what the reformators said.

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I need a little help

by Darryl in

my story is i've been df'd for about 20 years.

a couple years after i started attending church and found it to be a tremendously uplifting experience.

from the people to the music, message everything drew me in.

TheWonderofYou

Hi, I am only adding some stuff that I found about "heaven".

Whereas in the old ancient world view where people thought happings in heaven had impact to happening on earth and viceversa and the dwelling of God was imagened to be in the most upper sphere and perhaps you could easily climb a ladder up to heaven like Jacob did, or that God dwelled in the temples on earth, nowadays and after centuries of reinterpretation the church says that HEAVEN is only a feeling in your heart the state of beatitute, especially the beatitude of recognizing the divine, true, unlimited, undestructable life, mercy and glory and yes also the threefold "holiness" of god.

Living without beatiude of gods love is living like "outside heaven". so heaven is understood today only as illustrative word for blessings in communion with god and not only a as location where people exist in the afterlife. Likewise the hell is understood today by the church not as place or location but as the opposite situation to heaven, where people dont have the blessings of love and mercy.

Very interesting is that the church teaches that we can have the heaven in our heart, because we have Jesus in our hearts. Jesus is our way to heaven. You have heard all these texts of Jesus, If i read them again I understand that the blessings of HEAVEN are available alread now and not yet after death. Many pictures in the bible tell us about that we are already children of heaven and that heaven is the encounter of god, god himself, the presence of god in us, his dwelling in our hearts, the experience all believers make. Jesus said that the heaven is something very easy.

"I am the way" to heaven,
"I am the door" to enter the mercy and glory of the fathershouse,
"I am the eternal life" that you long for and look after, i give it to you,
"I am the bread of the HEAVEN", that strengthens you on your way.
"I am the word" that god speaks to your heart
"I am the light" that enlightens you, so that you find the way.
"I am the truth" that you are looking for.

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Jehovah God,Christ Jesus ,IBSA ,why no direct communication between Heaven and Earth ?

by smiddy in

according to jehovah`s witnesses christ jesus was enthroned in heaven in 1914 .. the international bible students ,c.t.russell as president was approved byjesus christ shortly after as the channell approved by jehovah god to dispense spiritual food to his faithful followers here on earth.. why is it that after 100 years of jesus christ rule from heaven over his chosen people , the jw`s , that their is no direct contact between jesus christ and his earthly channell of communication ,namely the wtb&ts , and no direct contact from jehovah god either.. jw`s do not claim to have direct contact with god or jesus christ , isnt that strange ?

after 102 years ruling as king ?.

jesus christ is the greater moses , moses had direct contact with god and his people , so shouldnt the greater moses ,jesus christ have direct contact with his people especially since he is now ruling over them from heaven ?.

TheWonderofYou

The church writes that Jesus is our "kingdom of god on earth".

(I did return yet to the roman catolic church but I grew up in it and read many booklets now.)

For the christian church the kingdom of god is already now on earth because Jesus Christ is ready to live in our heart, what we now have is already a partial fulfilment of the kingdom on earth but not yet the full glory.

The kingdom of god can be explained also as accepting the sovereinty of the lord. This means if someone accepts the sovereinty of God, only then she/is is in the kingdom. But the kingdom of God is not a tool to establish an adminstration over the earth, a real government with ministeres, princes, neither somewhere above in the stars nor here on earth, as it has been misinterpreted by the church too in the political arena, but only God in the midst of us, God dwelling in our hearts.

Imagine god would have that administration, kingdom in heaven and nobody would follow its rules? God would not need that governement than. Would he annihilate all nonbelievers? What he needs is ... that we love him. And only when we love God and recognize him, his figurative "reign" can become true. God only wants a kingdom in our hearts, that we love him. Those christians who recognize god believe they have heaven on earth, the kingdom on earth through Jesus Christ.

For christians Jesus is our kingdom on earth, his anointment with spirit, is comparable with the anointing oil that percolates the body and heals everything. The sense of becoming an anointed is to heal everyone. so Jesus healed and he heals us, Jesus christ is our kingdom of God that heals us.

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After Jesus left the earth he said that the COMFORTER and HELPER, the spirit, would come and lead the church. There would be no direct communication - voice to ear - or channeling - until Jesus return. Jesus and father would act by the means of the comforter spirit. That Jesus RULES IN HEAVEN, or sits besides the father is merely a picture that discribes his authority in words of jewish king legends, but its nothing important that implies a real administration and does not deal with the threeholiness of god.

Therefore up to now, there is no direct communication or channel neither to the church, to the pope or the WT-Headquarter. Because we live in the era of the spirit where the Jesus and god opens the heart in the spirit, a era where Jesus lives further in his church, the church that is his mystical body. As jesus lives in you and me, and we are his - jesus - body, and we often dont think of it at all, we should really be thankful sometimes, about his mercy

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Relating to the earthly life of Jesus Christ the church says that he was God and man and that he SPOKE the word of God to the hearts then and for all time once and ultimately to mankind.

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JW as a secret society - a weak link in the Information Age.

by slimboyfat in

in the late 1990s there was magazine article that asked the question, are jws a secret society?

obviously they said no, because they claim to be transparent to outsiders and new members.

but they really are not transparent at all.

TheWonderofYou

It's a secretive system designed to avoid accountability, make elders feel as if they are important, and give mundane structural processes an aura of mystical "theocratic" specialness.
I like this part.

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Updates and fixes

by Simon in

i thought i'd spend some time cleaning up the forum code and wanted to let you know about some of the recent changes and fixes:.

the avatars and in-post images used to use a separate imaging service which was convenient but didn't provide much control over caching which meant that each day you visited the site you were probably re-downloading those images again.

as they are immutable they can be cached for a long time which saves bandwidth and speeds things up.

TheWonderofYou

Thanks for working with so big effort in userfriendly and economically cheap solution for the community, already you changed platform and wrote those fixing codes to make the machine run smoothly and secure the forum is a kind of unique gem. Im very curious what will come next.

Sometimes we may take the advancements as matter of course, because we see everywhere a rapid technical progress and sometimes I have the impression that the new functions appear by oneself. In detail it turns around that you create a piece of art that uses the best tools, and combine them to work very cheap, very fast, secure, without all that excess baggage that are made for business enterprises if I got it right.

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My wonderful son

by KateWild in

hey everyone,.

for those of you who don't know my story.

i had a messy divorce i lost custody of my son in 2011 age 9yrs after four years of court battles to get him back i couldn't do anymore.. yesterday my wonderful son had an upsetting day as our contact was cancelled.

TheWonderofYou

Thanks for sharing.