Posts by TheWonderofYou

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At the rivers of Babylon there we sat down

by TheWonderofYou in

"by the rivers of babylon, there we sat downye-eah we wept, when we remembered zion.s.

boney m. – rivers of babylon lyrics,1978.

a large part of the judaen population was deported to babylonia after the destruction of jersualem and the temple in the year 586 b.c.e, especially the leading population stratum.

TheWonderofYou

"By the rivers of babylon, there we sat down

Ye-eah we wept, when we remembered zion.s

Boney M. – Rivers Of Babylon Lyrics,1978

A large part of the judaen population was deported to babylonia after the destruction of Jersualem and the temple in the year 586 B.C.E, especially the leading population stratum. This experience of the exil became a central part of jewish identity.

Which "books" of the bible were written in Babylon and what kind of writiing was typical, was it reconstruction or completely new creative text and what role played these "books" in the religious discussion or service? Any information appreciated.

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Remember when you 1st learned "The Truth"? Want to experience that tingle in a new way?

by Terry in

you can't unring a bell once rung.. you can't unknow nor can you forget being deceived, tricked, lied to and misled.. the truly awful aftershock of waking up to the 'truth about the truth' is the death of wonder,.

belief, and absolute certainty that you know what life is all about.

in fact, for most of us the path is the same.we begin investigating our foundational belief system.

TheWonderofYou

Liked, both are very fine. Currently I am also reading about the oriental world view that is behind all these bible passages and this is amusing.

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Faithful Slave is not appointed yet - only in the future

by TheWonderofYou in

did you read this study articel in which the slave says it is not appointed yet?.

excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8. so there is good reason for us to understand matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.

* (see endnote.

TheWonderofYou

Timeline across the tribulation

Hence how the appointment of the FDS over all his belongings is supposed to occur “during the great tribulation“ (= end of the wicked world), all other end-time-events - first the fall of religion babylon, secondly the coming of the lord, thirdly the judgment with the dying of the goats, fourthly at least the appointment of the slave over all belongings and fifthly in final step the armagedon after the rapture of some anointed would all happen also „during the tribulation", sayeth the watchtower 13 7 /15.

This statement tastes like sweet persuasivness, a logical and comprehensible unique schedule. What a sequence of events, also because it is so dramatic. Especially by positioning the coming/return of the Lord and the appointement as actual event into the timeline of "during the tribulation". Is such a schedule verifiable in the bible?

In the biblical order of writing given by the gospelwriter Matthew the appointment is mentioned only in the shape of a general advice not as event in the timeline.

Quite the contrary is the case in the bible account. It positions the coming of the Lord as the final event in the history „immediately after the tribulation". .....after the great tribulation. Already noted? Take your own bible and look up Matthew 24:29-31.

Mt 24,1-2	announcement of temple destruction
Mt 24,3-14	beginning of the sorrows
Mt 24,15-28	climax of the distress including v.21 „great tribulation“
Mt 24,29-31	of the coming / return of the son of man „After the tribulations“
Mt 24,32-42	parable of an alert host
Mt 24,43-44	parable of the faithful and evil slave

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Luke 12:35-48 parable about faithful slave

Luke 21,5-6	announcment of temple destruction
Luke 21,7-19	beginning of the sorrows, wars, earthquakes
Luke 21,20-24	judgment about Jerusalem
Luke 21,25-26	signs at sun, moon, sea, earth and heaven
Luke 21,27-28	coming of son of man
Luke 21,29-36	warnings

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Remember when you 1st learned "The Truth"? Want to experience that tingle in a new way?

by Terry in

you can't unring a bell once rung.. you can't unknow nor can you forget being deceived, tricked, lied to and misled.. the truly awful aftershock of waking up to the 'truth about the truth' is the death of wonder,.

belief, and absolute certainty that you know what life is all about.

in fact, for most of us the path is the same.we begin investigating our foundational belief system.

TheWonderofYou

Terry: how FRAGILE factual knowledge has become in our modern world

“Knowledge is power." Rather, knowledge is happiness, because to have knowledge - broad, deep knowledge - is to know true ends from false, and lofty things from low. To know the thoughts and deeds that have marked man's progress is to feel the great heart-throbs of humanity through the centuries; and if one does not feel in these pulsations a heavenward striving, one must indeed be deaf to the harmonies of life.”
― Helen Keller, The Story of My Life

Knowledge is Power, said Sir Francis Bacon, who was he? forerunner of empirism, but is empiric knowlege certain? Is it possible to get certainty by usage of logic and experience? Only if someone applies the methods. If not no.

Information in media and even scientific studies are produced with a purpose and an audience in mind. Neutral, original voices have to be checked and verified. The "information age" and "information revolution" has come. More vigilance is necessary. Is this them beginning of a great tribulation or a golden age with 1000 years for silicon valley and photon-quant computer celestical city?

You can google unbiased but google already selects the information for you and youu receive those search results that google assumes fit to your interest.

I simple joked Terry, I agree.

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Remember when you 1st learned "The Truth"? Want to experience that tingle in a new way?

by Terry in

you can't unring a bell once rung.. you can't unknow nor can you forget being deceived, tricked, lied to and misled.. the truly awful aftershock of waking up to the 'truth about the truth' is the death of wonder,.

belief, and absolute certainty that you know what life is all about.

in fact, for most of us the path is the same.we begin investigating our foundational belief system.

TheWonderofYou

I cant stand this foolishness, i am not willing to read everything. It doesnt convince me, thankfully!

Such meshes of lies or the direct-markting guys could never convince me. But I like conspiracy theories that sound more sophiscated like freemasionary, do you have such ones too. ;-)

I saw a wonderful film "mysterious palace" about Schönbrunn palace in Vienna in a series about men, myths and legends. The subject was the obvious cooperation between the queen Maria Theresia and the freemasions when the castle was built, what resulted in many freemasion elements and symbols in the buildings and art throughout the castle and palace garden, the emperors pavillon and gloriette, You find obeliscs with images of egypt godess Isis, and replica hyroglyphs over the fountain, in the baroque garden you find elements of kabala, you will find the reproduction of a roman ruin, and a aligned park until the leaves. Statues of Brutus and Lucretia could be a symbol of the revolution against the monarchy. Many creative questions and conclusive answers.

http://www.servustv.com/at/Medien/Geheimnisvolles-Schoenbrunn

BTW Servus tv belongs to Redbull.

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Why do witnesses feel the need to put JW ORG on all their social media sites?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

have you all noticed the obsession witnesses have of putting jw.org on all their social media sites like facebook, twitter, instagram etc?.

so many put it in their bio section...like some sort of loud proclamation to other witnesses that they are righteous and spreading the message.. it's also very lazy.

now with no personal effort at all, they can just say jw.org and be "witnessing".

TheWonderofYou

Because it has become a dawned trend in the peer group.

Post a selfie with JW sign in the background and take part.

http://jwsurvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/brooklyn-selfie.jpg

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What is truth?

by Heisenberg in

jw
friends

well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

TheWonderofYou

coherent

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how many bethels are left

by pepperheart in

with the news these past days that bethels in both rome and belguim are being closed does anybody know how many bethels are left worldwide?

TheWonderofYou

Pictures of branch offices, seesm like bethels have been a fasciniation and

convincing witness

https://www.pinterest.com/debsstitches/jw-branch-offices/

or

https://www.pinterest.com/yolandabrewster/bethel-all-over-earth/

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Faithful Slave is not appointed yet - only in the future

by TheWonderofYou in

did you read this study articel in which the slave says it is not appointed yet?.

excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8. so there is good reason for us to understand matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.

* (see endnote.

TheWonderofYou

Brief summary for busy ones (who live in the endtime) of the subject, considering your comments and notes with a really broad variety of views.

Q: Is the FDS already appointed? Scripture Matthew 24,45-51

A: NO

Reasons

because the slave itself is permanently changing its view about the own identity (once all bethelits who slaved away making books were treated as FDS)
not completely, because there were 2 appointments and only the second would be over all belongings.
its only a parable anyway – Peter in Luke 12:41(Q behind: Is there any real spiritual appointment as oversight given to the FDS. A. Perhaps no.)
it supposedly was used only as transition into the next chapter (from 24 to 25) and was overrated, and was used in the context as general counsil only and as answer to the question in Matthew 24,3 about the endtime and return of christ.
An actual wise servant wouldn't look like a Tele-evangelist
would not empower itself at the cost of lives and deaths only to think of being subservient
a wise servant would not be attacked of a rise of lawsuits and loss of tax-exempetion, those things should happen only to false religions with unwise leaders.
supposedly the parable of the slave + the coming/return of Jesus served the purpose of fuelling the „christ“-movement and everything has no meaning without establishing the catolic faith
it cannot be already appointed „over all belongings“ at all before Jesus' return because such a reward is only awaited for the time after the memorial of jesus death and the handing over of the symbols at the memorial would have ceased. (=until he arrives) (order of events: 1. coming/return 2. reward)
the intended audience was supposedly the apostels
a real appointment would be big disappointment on earth if and when during the tribulation shortly before armageddon the anointed faithul servant would die and be raptured. ( would lead to the assumption that the appointment inclueds the heavenly reward)

If I would appoint a winner, i would like to select:

An actual wise servant wouldn't look like a Tele-evangelist ;-)

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In Italy: Major Newspaper Coverage of the JW Pedophilia Scandal

by Room 215 in

the excellent italian ex-jw website geova.org directs its readers' attention to two big news articles on the jw pedophilia problem.

milan-based il corriere della sera is one of italy's most respected newspapers:.

http://www.corriere.it/video-articoli/2016/05/11/i-testimoni-geova-casi-pedofilia-non-denunciati/919c8e32-1794-11e6-aaf6-1f69bf4270d2.shtml.

TheWonderofYou

Its really time for the changing organisation to change. Who will pass this change? The members of the little christian group called jehovah witnesses are worth for a change that leads to improvement. They are after all a random phenomenon. But there is room for improvement in this changing organisation. And change starts often in little groups. It could have a big mass effect! Good luck!