Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Who was the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses? JW Org states it was not Russell

by ToesUp in

found this article in the about page on jw org.

i was a born in and was always taught charles taze russell was the founder.

guess i was wrong!

TheWonderofYou

Is it right that 1919 ~~-the date of birth of the FDS - is a direct result of the study of Pyramidology and can be only explained with Pyramidology? Is the Pyramid the witness for the date 1919 and not the holy spirit?~~ error.

whoever made the decision that 1919 is important date, was actually the FDS?
How did we come to it 1914+5 or 1915+4?

I cant find 1919 in this book but something about 1910, 1914 and 1915

This calculation shows A. D . .1915 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble;[not 1914!] for 1542 years B. c. plus 1915 years A.D equals 3457 years.
It is but four years before the full close of the time of trouble which ends the Gentile times; and when we remember the Lord's words-that the overcomers shall be accounted worthy to escape the severest of the trouble coming upon the world we may understand the reference to be to the anarchoua trouble which will follow October, 1914; but a trouble chiefly upon the Church may be expeCted about 1910 A. D. Is not this a most remarkable agreement between this stone "Witness" and the Bible?
The dates, October, 1874, and October, 1881, are exact, while the date 1910, though not furnished in the Scriptures, seems more than a reasonable one for some important event in the Church's experience and final testing, while A.D. 1914 is apparently welldefined as its close, after which the world's greatest trouble is due, in which some of the "great multitude" may have a share.
And in this connedion let us remember that this date limit- A.D. 1914-must not only witness the completion of the seleetionand trial and glorification of the entire body of Christ, but it may also witness the purifying of some of that larger company of consecrated believers who, through fear and faint-heartedness, failed to render acceptable sacrifices to God, and who therefore became more or less contaminated with the world's ideas and ways. Someqfthese, before the end of this period, may come up out of the great tribulation. (Rev. 7: 14.)
Many such are now being closely bound in with the various bundles of tares for the burning; and not until the fiery trouble of the latter end of the harvest period shall burn the binding cords of Babylon's bond- · age shall these be able to malte their cscape-"saved so as by. fire." They must see the utter wreck of Great Babylon and receive some measure of her plagues. (Rev. 18:4.) The four years from 1910 to the end of 1914, indicated thus in the Great Pyramid, will doubtless be a time of "fiery trial" upon the Church (1 Cor. 3:15) preceding the anarchy of the world, which cannot last long ;-"Except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved."-Matt. 24!
Nor is this all of the wonderful symbolism of the Great Pyramid. Its marvelous harmony with the divine plan is 1till further shown in another remarkable feature. We should expeet that the date of the two great events conneeted with the close of this age, viz., (1) our Lord's second advent and (2) the beginning of the harvest, would in 10me manner be marked at the upper end of the "Grand Gallery,'' even as his death and resurrection are marked The Great Pyramid. 65 by the "Well " at its lower end.

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JW and the Sabbath

by Andromeda in

hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

TheWonderofYou

Hey Andromeda, dont be "standoffishly". In your kind you are unique. Dont give up. We cannot look in your heart. I can understand your standpoint is a very personal.

The only family member that ever needed blood, died from it. I would never accept blood by someone else jw or not.

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Necessary Family Business (NFB) is now acceptable according to the weekly WT Study

by Quarterback in

during the last decade i've seen so many articles, and top speakers try to downplay that nfb policy.

now, this weeks wt study mentions a positive experience of someone applying having, "contact and applying nfb with a df relative".

TheWonderofYou

So we kept our contact with our son to absolutely necessary family business (NFB)

In reality the son was treated by the family as needless attachement, and this as much as possible by using that disciplination of cutting unnecessary contact.

In reality someday after a long period of loneliness then he certainly desperately relinquished to use his own will after his mind was formed, trained and moded enough by the family to accept the stupid realisation "how much he needed Jehovah" ~ in his loneliness.

In reality he got formed and mindcontrolled to an horrible extent to be convinced that it was even a blessing for him to "have been forced to beg Jehovah for help and forgiveness"

This son must have been a very mad criminal to deserve this treatment.

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Mounded From Clay

by konceptual99 in

just sitting through this week's wt study and just spent 5 minutes listening to multiple answers where people are convinced that jehovah made humans from clay, literally forming adam like a sculpture then breathing life into him.. it's embarrassing to think i basically thought the same....

TheWonderofYou

this is as summary about the origins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_of_man_from_clay

Polish artists and clay fellows have the motto "We are all from the same clay".

https://www.facebook.com/ParadaGliniada/photos

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Cart "witnessing" in Rio during the 2016 Olympiad

by oppostate in

at the 2016 olympic games in rio de janeiro, brazil, there are reportedly 62 carts with over a thousand brothers/sisters taking shifts and <ehem>working</ehem> the proximity in rio de janeiro from 8 in the morning till 11 at night (8:00 to 23:00), august 5th-21st.. .

such an "olympic" effort!.

TheWonderofYou

Olympia of the trolls -Its Special Olympics - Many let their trolleys troll and hope to gain medails. Let see how many will through away in the olympic idea their gold and silvermedails and buy real treasures at watchtower like investements in bible classes, bible teacher properties and other strategic pioneer assets. Soon on JW broadcast TV.

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Why are anniversaries allowed but not birthdays?

by hyperpen in

the scripture quotes aside, i was always told that we don't celebrate birthdays because that is a celebration of the self, which has no place in jehovah's organization.

then why celebrate anniversaries?

anniversary celebrations are about the joining of two selves, isn't that twice as selfish?.

TheWonderofYou

Finkelstein - where in the scripture?

You finally caught me while I was only kidding and tried to find out the real reason.

The argumentation is totally free invented, but could be as well the JW cult's argumentation.

I wanted to show how stupid all this is.

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Why are anniversaries allowed but not birthdays?

by hyperpen in

the scripture quotes aside, i was always told that we don't celebrate birthdays because that is a celebration of the self, which has no place in jehovah's organization.

then why celebrate anniversaries?

anniversary celebrations are about the joining of two selves, isn't that twice as selfish?.

TheWonderofYou

A person is only to be honoured if it does not turn around the persons life/birth, because life is from God. So only the honouring for achievements of a person is remaining.

It seems that behind it stands the idea that the birth of person or the person itself is

- a pagan, mystical ceremony with satanic origin

- or honouring a person would be imitating the satanic attitude of demonstratiing distraction or dishonouring God who only is the real lifegiver.

In both cases SATAN wants to seduce Jehovahs witnesses to think that the person is more important than God and therefore they dont celebrate the person and avoid the tricky trap of Satan the devil.

The scripture that supports this is the birthdayparty of John the baptist, that turned into a bloody mass and the star of bethlem whom SATAN sent for the little children to seduce them to think that HE is God and can make falling stars.

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Changes & Clarifications on our belief. DOMINO EFFECT blamed for late coming into print

by TheWonderofYou in

in the august broadcast bro splane explains this point deeper.. when the brothers are sitting together and joyfully speaking about clarification of jw belief, they often encounter and deal with that "domino-effect" when one scripture has effects on others.

so all changes are carefully considered before they come into print, one after the other but late.. lately he mentions the "godfathers" brother jaracz , barr as good examples of reading the bible progressivly, they were very progressive at there time.

what ever this could mean he did not explain it?.

TheWonderofYou

In the August broadcast Bro Splane explains this point deeper.

When the brothers are sitting together and joyfully speaking about clarification of JW belief, they often encounter and deal with that "Domino-Effect" when one scripture has effects on others. So all Changes are carefully considered before they come into print, one after the other but late.

Lately he mentions the "Godfathers" brother Jaracz , Barr as good examples of reading the bible progressivly, they were very progressive at there time. What ever this could mean he did not explain it?

However certainly already back then they got into contact with that dangerous Domino Effect if they touched one scripture and wanted to clarify it carefully and probably they tried but could not cope with the effects and changed nothing important for the benefit of us.

And what are these guys thinking about to change at this moment, when their bibles come on the table?

BTW: If the Domino effect is to be blamed for that, how LARGE has been the HERESY up to now, it must have been immense? How many false prophesies must have JW made that a clarification is pratically unimpossible due to those random-effects on other prophecies. Think of that.

Listen the Youtube video from minute 25:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCpADr8UZM0

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JW and the Sabbath

by Andromeda in

hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

TheWonderofYou

I always wondered why Jehovas witnesses dont have a "holy day" neither SABBAT nor the LORDSDAY.
I thought .oh they are very modern they give these days a "spiritualized sense" so the actual day were not important.

Well the Sabbath, I try a new kind of approach to the matter and perhaps I have success and can take a sabbatical. I let you take part in my finding process:

The Genesis is not a historical evidence that the Sabbath was given to ADAM and EVE as a gift or a law or an institution. As a theologically arranged story about creation and description of the understanding of the people of Israel how the World was and should be, the Sabbath plays in Genesis the role as reminder for ISRAEL of a perfect creation, a paradise of God dominated by righteousness, which had been forfeited by sin and could only be regained again by righteousness and as a sign for the covenant.

Read Genesis Chapter 2, no mentioning of Sabbat being a day of worship for Adam and Eve, later it was not mandated for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and the rest of gods people as well. It was instituted officially in Exodus in the law of Moses (~1500 BCE). The law of Sinai was for Israel and Sabbat was sign of the coventant between God and Israel, AND NEVER a sign between God and the nations. God instituted the seventh-day system, not for everybody in the world. In fact, specifically it says for Israel. Verse 17, “A sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever.”

The Jews never phantazised that the Sabbath order was not explicitly given to Israel alone, why should christian then do it? And for Jews without Christ this Thora is of course binding even today. For them the Law has not "ended". The Thora is not for the whole mankind.

However for Christians the Law of Christ is applicable. (Galatians 6,2) We are under the "law of Christ" this term is not an invention by Paul, but a well known term of rabbinic theology. The Law of Christ is not end of Thora in unrigthousness but Perfection through a new messianic thora that is highter and more exalted than the mosaic.

What do todays Jews think of that old jewish term "law of Christ"? Rabbi Silberg writing about Thora-study in the messianic era, explains: "The Torah which we study in this world is naughty in comparison to the Torah of Moshiach, Moshiach will teach about G‑d and we will "see" it.

Christians under the law of christ can celebrate a sabbath remembering God as our Creator and thinking of the fact that we live in the REALITY of the REST. We rest from works righteousness, efforts at self-salvation, a rest based on gods mercy. We have entered into the rest of the gospel. Every day for us is a sabbath, because every day we rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

The church writes (catechism) that the Sunday, better LORD's DAY, is the perfection of the Sabbat. On the first day of the week, we celebrate Him as our Redeemer, The Sunday fulfills through Christ the spiritual sense of the sabbath and is a sign... it proclaims the eternal rest of God in us men. No better sabbatical rest in sight

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CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

by wifibandit in

client intake—csa questionnaire.

general legal advice and direction.

hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

TheWonderofYou

CSA is the Central Statistics Agency

"Do not send the Legal Department or the Service Department any electronic or written correspondence unless you are specifically requested to do so."

this makes the impression to me that this "official procedure" is only started if a report to the police or authority is simultaneously necessary. At this moment the victim and the abuser should already get their legal representatives, wheres the elder only held court about spiritual matters.

This means in all other cases (without sending this form to the Legal Department) elders and legal department are not protected at all. Therefore in those cases even more confidentiality is needed not to make no false accusations and not to blame someone as abuser.

What is not reported to the statistic agency does not count.