Posts by TheWonderofYou

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What Happens to Adam and Eve?

by Cold Steel in

in jw theology, what happens to adam and eve?

are they resurrected and become heirs to paradise on earth?

or will they become two of the heavenly class?

TheWonderofYou

Isnt here the typical connection in the teaching between that what Adam lost

"human perfection ..which .... carried with it the right to life"

and

what Adam's offspring receives back after ransomed and what it will possess in the paradise earth:

a life of human perfection with the right to life ...but not more, no automatic eternal life, but further obidience and testing- The offspring is only ransomed and simply brought to the state it would have been withouth Adams sin, Jesus ransom only accomplishing this and not more. The offspring will have to prove loyal as it would have been in the original paradise. The tree of life yet far in distance.

I think this reasoning is behind the Rutherford-theology.

The situation in paradise will not be much different:

if you not obey, you will certainly die and lose your right to live, nothing would have changed at all since the days of Adam, even after Jesus ransom (ransom for release of consequences for offspring)

Adam had no eternal life, he had the right to live, he could die, his perfection was simply a right to live, a limited perfection namely consisting in a right and promise not to die if obiedient, and this you will get if you belief in Jesus ransom, Rutherford taught, (If i err please correct me)

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As the ransom sacrifice concept of Rutherford RANSOM is only for the OFFSPRING, it is not working for Adam and Eve themselves consequently. They are indeed lost. What is not righteous because they did it not of own free will but they were seduced.

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Do not enjoy life now!

by life is to short in

ok so i was stupid and looked at the text for today, i do not know why i did it.

i lost a couple of brain cells and put myself into an even deeper depression over it.

it was just that my husband had it out and i thought what can it hurt, wondering what they are up to.

TheWonderofYou

Whos speaking?

In my hawkers tray is a thrilling message for everyone:

For children I have now in my offer the thrilling paradise earth full of amazing love of Jehovah, a comic with Sopie as actor.

for adults there is the latest thrilling Armageddon film with persecution that gets under the skin.

Are you ready?

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Sophie likes butterflies she watches them often in the meadows. She even takes her loupe to watch how the caterpillars look like and wonders how they change into butterflies.

The lession she gets in this short video is that Jehovah really loves us because he designed such wonderful amazing creatures which we can watch and study. He did it simple for our amazement and that we can be happy in our life perhaps even become butterfly scientist.

Mom: "Isnt if fine that Jehovah designed so many WONDERFUL thinks for us to discover. That shows how much he loves us."

Sophie: "I cant wait to be in paradise to study every butterfly that Jehovah has designed."

Sophie: "Jehovah made so many amazing things whats your favorite"?

Then the butterfly transforms into the JW-Logo. Hahaha. The art department is working hard to transform JW are nice beautiful butterfly-like people.

Note that

1) Sadly in this video is taught that in this life we cannot fully be happy and find all butterflies that we want, only in paradise. Its sad that today we cannot study every butterfly that Jehovah has designed. That was not the focus here.

2) Sadly helping dying breeds and bees are not mentioned, no initiative started, many organisations start initiative to help butterflies, each year some species are dying out. That was not the focus.

3) Sadly in the video it is not mentioned that butterflies could be soon destroyed in Armageddon or because of natural pollution, thats because children could be scared. That was not the focus.

4) They simply jump instantly from amazement about butterflies to paradise, not much between as if Jehovah only existed in the paradise and not also today and if today we cant do anything for our already now amazing world full of wonders.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODChildren/pub-pk_24_VIDEO

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Now adults listen:

Going through the GT is like a "metamorphosis" happens to you. Therefore we should prepare for this painful metamorphis in the GT. We will be polished, our true self will be UNHIDED. We will be confronted with our own shadows. Is that scary? Prepare yourself for our thriller sequences about our strange metamorphosis after which we will be in the paradise where we will encounter much tribulation, only fully devoted true followers will survive seemingly everlasting thousand years of the millenium under regime of elders checking your characters and true repentance. Yes.. there will be public hearings, testimonials and public Judicial commitees in the new world.

Who received a gift will be tested much more.

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What's Is The Goal Of This Religion?

by pale.emperor in

what's is the goal of this religion?.

i mean, if it's for money they could do a lot more like other religions do: tithing, paying for prayers from the gb, selling "miracles", selling "blessed" items, selling courses.. if its for power then what are they hoping to do with that power?

they dont seem to do anything.

TheWonderofYou

"Take your time and make things last.

Just dont run so fast"

https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODMusicVideos/pub-jwbon_201606_1_VIDEO

At at 2:00 first I heard "Make your time and make things last."

Interpersonal goodness gets more and more in the focus.

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What are the Three Words?

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

new words for your day (for those who care)during the protestant reformation, 3 words became the most important words in the world.today, not one person in a thousand is aware of these words, or much less conscious of the importance of their definitions.what are the 3 words?could you be an intellectually honest christian person who declares they are a "spiritual" person and not have these words answered inside yourself?that question is what made these 3 words so important to learn._______notitia (no-tish-ee-uh) literally "information" assensus (uh-sins-suss) literally "approval".

fiducia (fuh-doos-ee-uh) literally "confidence".

notitia.

TheWonderofYou

Equally the Watchtower-books and teachings of today will be unnoticed in hundred years. In Watchtower the process will be supported by supportive measures like:

interdiction to read old books

pettiness for modern organisation

blame of literature forgery

danger of reading unauthorized books

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The worldview changes each generation anew.

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Crows and Those on Patios

by TerryWalstrom in

crows and those on patios______________.

terry: i write.

among the things i write are analyses debunking religious fundamentalism.. lou: sure.

TheWonderofYou

Much effort for few results as expectable. Lets have a :coffee: and relax.

Not always a parting of the ways is about Jesus, God. For some people the parting of the ways already would begin earnestly with the evolution-theory.

Some think the moment of appearing of this evolutiontheory would mark even the beginning of end time because its represents the ultimate denial of Gods creation.

So did the end time really start about 1860? It would have started with the similiar theories about Natural Selection from Charles Darwin & Alfred Russel Wallace. 1858 Wallace sent Darwin his theory to help him with his theory. Darwin was shocked because he wanted to be the first to publish the theory and Wallace theory replicated his own.

The forgotten Alfred Russell Wallace.
The making of a theory

....youtube videos below.

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In Middle Europe crows are looking for new feeding ground. swaaarmmm. caaaark. Last warm day of this summer.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eQ6DadodA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOiUZ3ycZwU

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Jesus walked into a bar...

by Slidin Fast in

he asks the barkeep for 13 glasses of water.

he turns to his 12 companions and winks....

TheWonderofYou

Jesus walks into a bar in companion with a number of fresh "true followers".

Barkeeper: Refill or Backup?

Jesus: Purification.

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... The Teacher Appears

by TerryWalstrom in

text: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s2nu2bw_em6i9kp7wugj4yjqmhps2yio-ytehl4jbmy/edit?usp=sharingthe teacher appears.

he was paul miyoshi.. i passed by him; he raised his head with flashing white hair and set his gaze serenely upon me that first time.

the pupils of his eyes were black, mysterious, as from another world.“konichiwa” he spoke with a smile wrapped in mischief.. there had been a slight bow which triggered a mirrored response.. over the next year and a half, i’d get to know this man much in the way a box within a box reveals more boxes.

TheWonderofYou

Certainly my last comment was not ingenious or funny. It was just a windy shot on the my way of finding a connection between art, drawing, painting, architecture, creativity and spirituality. The youtube video with the rap is certainly very facile too, but it points to the question: What is the connection between all this spirituality, peopla are looking for answers

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Referring to

Jehovah’s Witness life is a busy life of treadmill activity and hamster cage futility. An intelligent person becomes enmeshed in an ongoing learning spiral with endless publications by the Watchtower Organization pumping out proliferating pages of propaganda. Little by little, the interior life’s flame is snuffed out, opinions vanish,

...they are captivating the caterpillar and downt allow to transform

...after leaving Jehovahs witnesses I had to find my own personality that is hidden, taking off the masks-personas, finding out what does your spirituality indicate you to or drive you to. (according to the models of Jung that human Itself is driven to look for an aim). Recreation of JW, finding again an aim in life is possible, who I am, what am I.

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Spirituality:

At the moment it is okay for me to understand "spirituality" or "spirit" as:

active, vivid appetite (drive) that belongs to my ego and has the aim to work for my integral personality. Perhaps I can lately work out to find or see the true image, my soul. But I can adopt this idea if necesssary.

I think that all creativity, charisma, talent and art is somehow a tool and a hint on this way finding the perfection of the soul.

Therefor teachers dont teach simply manual skills but spiritual skills as well.

For what reason we need a teacher at all? Perhaps it turns around the human (spiritual) development, advice in spiritual work, enlightenment, perfection in working out the own personality. This is a subject to further discussion.

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Are the beautiful lyric verses about art in your story all from Paul Miyoshi or from you?

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... The Teacher Appears

by TerryWalstrom in

text: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s2nu2bw_em6i9kp7wugj4yjqmhps2yio-ytehl4jbmy/edit?usp=sharingthe teacher appears.

he was paul miyoshi.. i passed by him; he raised his head with flashing white hair and set his gaze serenely upon me that first time.

the pupils of his eyes were black, mysterious, as from another world.“konichiwa” he spoke with a smile wrapped in mischief.. there had been a slight bow which triggered a mirrored response.. over the next year and a half, i’d get to know this man much in the way a box within a box reveals more boxes.

TheWonderofYou

Buddhism had influence on architects and Samurai

So the architects made the old temples and houses with wood, and then they planned a garden inside the complex. This garden was for contemplation and recreation. The other gardens with fruits, vegetables were located elsewhere and not all old houses had gardens only for contemplation. The structure of the traditional japanes house with the garden as extention of the living room was only possible and made only sense because of the mattresses, on which they sat and because of the climate. Everything was planned around the seatings. Wisdom, experience, logic, creativity.

(Source: http://www.ksmarchitecture.com/projects/japanese-house/ )

The Samurai blacksmiths made there swords not of wood but other natural material and developped impressing art of smithing. In rare cases they were merciful with the enemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WkWNDDrQO4made of

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Here another teacher appears

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... The Teacher Appears

by TerryWalstrom in

text: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s2nu2bw_em6i9kp7wugj4yjqmhps2yio-ytehl4jbmy/edit?usp=sharingthe teacher appears.

he was paul miyoshi.. i passed by him; he raised his head with flashing white hair and set his gaze serenely upon me that first time.

the pupils of his eyes were black, mysterious, as from another world.“konichiwa” he spoke with a smile wrapped in mischief.. there had been a slight bow which triggered a mirrored response.. over the next year and a half, i’d get to know this man much in the way a box within a box reveals more boxes.

TheWonderofYou

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_RO-jL-90

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How the JW family dies

by Chook in

family has problems ,they approach elders ,who in turn spiel what ever is latest memo from hq.

due to complex nature of cult affected individuals elder turn to cos for the curly problems.

this is where the death of jw family takes place.

TheWonderofYou

Another family wrecked by the Wachtower".

Just this is what contradicts the biblical command for christians and particulary elders to be „stewards of undeserved kindness“, relating to the topic "undeserved kindness" from some days ago.#

Study artice "Are you a Steward of Gods undeserved kindness"? http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009042

We have the God-given responsibility to use our abilities and qualities as a means of conveying expressions of God’s undeserved kindness to our fellow believers.
Similarly today, the command to use one’s gift in behalf of fellow believers is wholeheartedly carried out by true Christians.
Thousands of Witnesses share in relief work, helping fellow believers rebuild homes that have been struck by disasters. The tender affection and practical assistance rendered by such caring brothers and sisters are all manifestations of “God’s undeserved kindness expressed in various ways.
and so far.
In brotherly love have tender affection for one another. In showing honor to one another take the lead.
the love and affection that we show for one another clearly identifies us as true Christians.
What good reasons we have, therefore, to use our gift “in ministering to one another as fine stewards of God’s undeserved kindness”

The elders intervene and are cursed to impose the rules of the watchtower to its followers.