Posts by BelisemDeBelimakom

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Thank you Sea Breeze! I really appreciated your explanations and logical connections on the matter.

God bless!

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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

by Sea Breeze in

a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Here is how WT explains this verse, try not to laugh

Source: https://wol.jw.Borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1982887#h=1:0-9:0

*** w82 12/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

Revelation 20:5 says that “the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.” Will this be before the final test or after it?

[...]

Those who physically have died and will be resurrected on earth during the Millennium will still be imperfect humans. Also, those surviving the war of God will not be made perfect and sinless immediately. As they continue faithful to God during the Millennium those who will have survived on earth evidently will gradually progress toward perfection. Hence, as long as persons in both categories are not free of inherited sin, they will in a sense be “dead” (and could not yet be fully alive) in God’s sight.—Luke 9:60; Ephesians 2:1.

[...]

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Study Book

by Ding in

what is the watchtower's current study book?.

is it what does the bible really teach?.

is it what can the bible teach us?.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Before baptism, one must finish What Does the Bible Really Teach? or What Can the Bible Teach Us? and then Keep Yourselves in God’s Love book, even if he/she gets baptized... so that new disciples will be “stabilized in the faith.”

Currently at the "Congregation Bible Study" (or Bible study without the Bible) "Jesus-The Way, the Truth, the Life" book is examined. Next one will be "Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last!"

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Don't forget to take Sauerkraut for COVID-19 ?

by was a new boy in

fermented foods may lower your risk of covid-19 death.

countries that consume higher amounts of traditionally fermented foods have lower covid-19 mortality rates.

according to german researchers, significant changes in the microbiome caused by modern life and low fermented food consumption may have increased the spread or severity of the disease.

BelisemDeBelimakom

LV101

The link had an error, here is the correct one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/12/05/harvard-scientists-begin-experiment-to-block-out-the-sun/#6b66fd1740c2

Additionally: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07533-4

UV-C's germicidal properties: https://www.genengnews.com/topics/translational-medicine/uv-light-that-is-safe-for-humans-but-bad-for-bacteria-and-viruses/

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Don't forget to take Sauerkraut for COVID-19 ?

by was a new boy in

fermented foods may lower your risk of covid-19 death.

countries that consume higher amounts of traditionally fermented foods have lower covid-19 mortality rates.

according to german researchers, significant changes in the microbiome caused by modern life and low fermented food consumption may have increased the spread or severity of the disease.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Important to notice that pre Covid era, they were heavily spraying skies with chemicals (chemtrails not contrails). "Famous", not-a-doctor, not-a-scientific, vaccin-ator, Microsoft "founder" BG really worked hard with Harvard to block the sun in the last year; we don't know when they started exactly. https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/12/05/harvard-scientists-begin-experiment-to-block-out-the-sun. He is still very active....

It is highly probable that they blocked one or certain rays (that is beneficial for our bodies), opening way for current pandemic to reach everywhere... Doctors were prescribing tons of Vitamin D's to those in sun bathing countries last year, this explains a lot. Apparently they reached their goal and they stopped sometime this year. Don't we have better skies right now for some months?

BTW, keeping a portable UV-C light (not A or B) at home is a good way to disinfect many daily items (masks, tooth brushes etc.) very rapidly and easily. It is a natural germicide.

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Don't forget to take Sauerkraut for COVID-19 ?

by was a new boy in

fermented foods may lower your risk of covid-19 death.

countries that consume higher amounts of traditionally fermented foods have lower covid-19 mortality rates.

according to german researchers, significant changes in the microbiome caused by modern life and low fermented food consumption may have increased the spread or severity of the disease.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Other things to mention are:

- Tonic water (for its quinine ingredient)

- Zinc

- lots of vitamin C.

Bonus: In case of lack of sunlight, add Vitamin D

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Here is a very good read and analysis of the prophecy:

https://beroeans.net/2020/07/04/the-king-of-the-north-and-the-king-of-the-south/

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Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week

by Sea Breeze in

well known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..

BelisemDeBelimakom

Conspiracy theory of the day 😋

What if Furuli was disfellowshipped as part of a plan? He remains a hidden "JW" outside the the org and can now support org teachings time to time as a worldy Bible Scholar, openly. He may write a few or publish already "written" academic studies in this period, regarding 607, NWT, 1914 etc and once collected enough reputation or during "zenith" of his performance, he would admit jw is the "only true religion" and asks for readmission.... Return to source with maybe some extra sheep.... tadaa! ... Scheme would work and it will.

This would explain his praising jw, blood and other contradictions in his book. After Russia hoax, now anything is probable. 😎

"Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily...."

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How do you feel about the JWS religion after being out more than 10, 20, 30 years ?

by Finkelstein in

myself being a born in and completely out for more than 30 years i see more of the damage of what this religious cult causes people .. part of myself leaving had to do with the psychological harm it was causing people back in the 1970's, one guy my age at the time hung himself out anxiety and depression.. the numerous suicides that have occurred in numbers is shocking to say the least.. then there is the many families breaking up.. marriages breaking apart because one member decides to leave the jws.. the deaths of members or their children from refusing a blood transfusion.. this hit me personally when my mother refused a bt when she was ill in the hospital and died.. over the years and observing all of these things reminds me how glad and fortunate i left when i did but i do find it responsible to others to expose this religious cult to what can happen to people who get involved with it and that's what i've been doing on this forum and elsewhere.

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BelisemDeBelimakom

Here is what I believe on those, after my research:

1. 1914 > Speculation, one of the deceptions

2. Blood policy > as other things, has Masonic connection (see Springmeier's books)

3. The position of Jesus > The way, the truth, the life. Acts 4:12. Jesus prayed to his (and our) heavenly Father, but interestingly never used/pronounced his name. Jesus has full authority (Mt 28:18). We cannot bypass Jesus to be acceptable before God.

And one more important thing I've forgot:
I now believe and realize that Christians must partake emblems as instructed by Jesus, either privately or publicly (shouldn't matter).

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How do you feel about the JWS religion after being out more than 10, 20, 30 years ?

by Finkelstein in

myself being a born in and completely out for more than 30 years i see more of the damage of what this religious cult causes people .. part of myself leaving had to do with the psychological harm it was causing people back in the 1970's, one guy my age at the time hung himself out anxiety and depression.. the numerous suicides that have occurred in numbers is shocking to say the least.. then there is the many families breaking up.. marriages breaking apart because one member decides to leave the jws.. the deaths of members or their children from refusing a blood transfusion.. this hit me personally when my mother refused a bt when she was ill in the hospital and died.. over the years and observing all of these things reminds me how glad and fortunate i left when i did but i do find it responsible to others to expose this religious cult to what can happen to people who get involved with it and that's what i've been doing on this forum and elsewhere.

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BelisemDeBelimakom

Hi all,

I'm a PIMO (still an elder) and started to wake up since 2 years. Still learning things. It is not an easy thing to digest, as we are faced to a "scheme" that has thousands years of experience. I began to see now that WT is one of (very efficient and insidious) tools being used to detract people from Christianity; as Jesus said: 'they do not go in, neither do they permit those on their way in to go' (Mt 23:13).

All started with my research on Flat Earth (don't laugh, I believe). Out of curiosity, I researched it and amazed on the findings. After a while, the subject leaded me who is/are hiding this information and I arrived to secret societies and their workings, plans and lower limbs, tentacles. This ultimately brought me to Russell and WT Society (When I learned about secret societies, I had to check if WT was involved/infiltrated or not). At first, I wanted to believe -like any group, organization- WT must have agents of wickedness (workers of evil) inside -and without them- the organization should be pure in itself. It didn't take long for "this belief" fell into pieces. Besides, all I have experienced within the BoE and my interactions with Bethel for years clearly confirmed me the fruits of this tree are bad, thus the tree is rotten (Mt 7:17). Among all BoE where I've been, there were/are always elders jealous, covetous, masquerading as humble always spoiling the harmony. They don't want you to have privileges but they don't accept any responsibility. They know nothing, neither contribute to anything but they always complain how things can be handled. This type of men exist, I'm sure, in all BoEs and interestingly they are able to keep their positions, "walk up the stairs of WT career" and even have influence inside the congregation, creating divisions. This is not a simply difference of personalities issue. Probably you all remark this everywhere.

Once I started to wake up after digesting all this data, my reaction was I should get out of this "scheme" as fast as possible. I prayed on that and interestingly after some time, I came to realize and conclusion that exiting now may not be the ideal solution (at least in my case). Let me explain my plan and my suggestion to all PIMOs:

1. If a PIMO, stay a PIMO for a while more (patience).

2. If not yet done, stop reading WT publications, read/use/quote other versions of the Bible even in your talks. Stop donating to the organization (even for the KH expenses, as they are also sent to the org). Donate or help directly/personally those (witnesses and others) in need.

3. If not yet done, read Enoch and Book of Jasher (you will have more time now). Those will give you a deeper insight and will help you better understand the Bible. Additional reading to see the inner workings and origins of WT: Ray Franz's 2 books + James Penton's "Apocalypse Delayed" + Fritz Springmeier's "Be wise as serpents" and "WT and the Masons", all available as PDF, online.

3. Keep doing your usual congregational activities but choose which assignments, activities you accept, wisely. For ex. avoid parts that praise the organisation, Bethel work, or any parts relying on organization's point of view. Accept only Biblical parts/talks/discussions. And then use/modify those parts to praise/focus on Jesus Christ and God. You will remark an improvement in your talks (you'll be more relaxed, reaching hearts).

4. As an elder you are in a position (respected, listened) to better help those sleeping ones to wake up. Do it very gently, on personal, one-to-one basis. Use your position to "your advantage" (=for the sake of love for another). Disperse "seeds of truth" one at a time and let them germinate. Start with your close relatives, in casual conversations, during social activities, even preaching etc. When out door-to-door service have conversations based on the Bible do not advertise WT publications. As a side note: Bringing child abuse topic immediately may not have the desired effect on sleeping ones (as it will immediately bring the reaction of "how do you know that? apostate sources?" conversation will stop abruptly with a repellent effect from you). I use for ex. my findings from book of Enoch and Jasher, as the organization does not forbids them. I also mentioned a few times "flat earth" topic (yes, when I talk on that subject it looks I'm joking or kidding but a good topic to break the atmosphere and opens the path for next step). To my close family members, I talk about all the misdemeanors among BoE and Bethel that I see. I tell them it is very (and it is becoming more an more) heartbreaking and exhausting to work as an elder and give them examples of all wrongdoings I witness. How certain problems (incl. Russia) could have been avoided if wisdom and discretion was used etc. Problems related to closure of KHs and merging congregations... Once some exemples accumulate, remind them Jesus' words about the good fruits/rotten fruits and ask rhetorically "if God is with us, and we are the only channel, why such problems and rotten personalities abound in the organization?". We're told Jesus is holding the stars (elders) in his hand and why such rotten personalities always gain the upper hand? How come the org. makes such decisions? Organization seems to always choose those ambitious and covetous ones (but masquerading as humbles) for privileges... etc.. etc.. Waking up the close family members can be your focus as they are the ones who will see you struggling and can believe you better, easier and faster. You'll need them close to you so helping them can be your primary task.

A PIMO will ultimately stop associating WT, however, use whatever you have at hand right now to wake up loved ones inside. If you can't support it anymore, or you can't act as suggested above, or if you have witnessed/experienced disgusting or unbearable things, just leave. You don't have to "officially" quit neither, at first. No need to "come out", as you will not be proving anything. On the contrary you might, on PIMIs, create a negative image of yourself which can be useful in the long term. You can decide to go out gently (by becoming inactive). To the ones that are outside already: keep attached to Jesus' instructions and do not "turn sour". Keep your house occupied at all times! (Mt 12:43, 44) Once the "exodus" starts, you can be of great help! Let's help all sleeping ones to wake up otherwise they will most probably turn sour (atheism, Gnosticism) when they will be abruptly woken up and this is the very objective of WT and similar organizations.