I too noticed the absolute avoidance of the Faithful and discreet slave doctrine. Cults are like an onion, the outside layers being the most appealing and impressive, but when you get to the core, its all sorts of crazy.
Posts by Emery
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12What Does the Bible REALLY Teach: The Meaning of Your Baptism
by 00DAD inwhat is the meaning of your baptism?
to whom do you belong?
the book, what does the bible really teach?
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A couple of Jehovah Witness stumpers! Add some if you like
by TheNurseInBlack inthese are some questions that i ask the jehovah witnesses.
i hope you find them useful .
disclaimer: these are questions i found on the iternet and from other sources of research.
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Emery
"Can you show me how you get 1914 from using only the bible?"
"Can you show me how you get 1919 from using only the bible?"
"Why do museums, historians, and archaeologists all around the world say Jerusalem fell in 586/7bc instead of 607bc?" (this will make them have to study the topic)
"Why do you preach independent thinking and encourage an open mind to outsiders but condemn it for your fellow members?"
"Why do you teach and encourage an unforgiving attitude towards disfellowshipped ones when Jesus teaches us differently?" (Matthew 18:21,22. Mark 11:25-26; Matthew 6:14-15; Luke 6: 37-38; John 5:24; Romans 2:1; James 2:13)
If the Witness pull out 1 Corinthians 5:11, show them how that scripture was an exhortation and admonition that has to be personally made, not legally enforced by a religious institution. Show them 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, "But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked, stop associating with him, that he may be shamed. And YET DO NOT BE CONSIDERING HIM AS AN ENEMY, BUT CONTINUE ADMONISHING HIM AS A BROTHER." Show them that 1 Corinthians 5:11 uses the same Greek word found at 2 Thess which is used to establish the disfellowshiiping doctrine ("Not mixing in the company"). Ask the witness how the scripture found at 2 Thes can be any different? (Witnesses will say that this applies only to marked individuals who haven't committed grave sins in the congregation). Press them to provide evidence in scripture to say that 2 Thess only applies to a 2nd tier disciplinary action-- the context and idea not found in the scripture.
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Awake February 2013: Where do they find these people?
by bats in the belfry inprofessor massimo tistarelli:.
"my sister gave me a copy of the book life - how did it get here?
by evolution or by creation?
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Emery
Wow, thanks Watchtower for being objective.
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Watchtower Corporation Twitter Account
by Calebs Airplane ini just noticed this twitter account with over 9k followers.. https://twitter.com/jworg.
could this actually be the watchtower's official twitter account or a dub running ahead of the chariot?.
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Emery
Can anyone find the awakes or watchtowers when they were first condeming social networking sites? I find this so hypocritical.
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did someone post already about this girl flipping off the judge?
by cptkirk ini think normally i would be with the judge all the way....but i think it was clear that the girl thought it imprudent to tell the entire court how much jewelry she owned?
her mannserisms for being in a court room were somewhat strange, but at the same time we are dragging these kids into court over what?
because they want to use xyz substance?
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Emery
How much more of a dumbass can she be?
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The Borg "our mother"? Good Grief!
by Roberta804 ini have heard it all now, or at least up to now, the borg never ceases to surprise me.
so when jesus was talking to his deciple from the cross (opps stake), "this is your mother" or something like that, was he talking about the borg?
lol.
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Emery
Yeah the whole concept of the "mother" organization has really taken flight around where I live. I too wondered where this came from. Ray Franz in ISOCF shows how that concept of mother was taught in the 50's and 60's. Franz shows how the Catholic church uses the same reference to their church and its historic development.
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Watchtower Corporation Twitter Account
by Calebs Airplane ini just noticed this twitter account with over 9k followers.. https://twitter.com/jworg.
could this actually be the watchtower's official twitter account or a dub running ahead of the chariot?.
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Emery
They are attacking the internet world hard now. Watchtower knows that the fight can no longer exist in the door to door work, they must establish an online presence.
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Hello??
by franticfran ini have just joined this website and just wanted to say hello to anyone out there.
i am so nervous,after thirty odd years in the "truth" i feel as though my husband and i have just walked into a room full of smiling strangers and we are just standing here hoping to god someone will come up and speak to us.
scared and excited and hoping to wake up one morning and not wonder what we do now???
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Emery
Welcome! stay around and marinate in the freedom ha.
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not ready to go over to the "dark side"
by nowwhat? inafter spending a lifetime in it, no one is as fed up with the wt as i am.
[my golf game would have been a hell of alot better if i was'nt banging my head against the wall on saturdays!
lol ] this forum has taught me alot more than i thought to confirm my suspicions.
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"there is no Hell or enternal torment
Jesus is God's only begotten son-not part of a trinity
one day God's kingdom will come upon the earth. when and to what extent remains to be seen.
Jehovah and Jesus expect his followers to live by righteous standards according to their best imperfect abilitites, [sorry gay guys]
so for those of you that are sincere where else is there to go? that's why most of us stay in the borg that's right i said borg.
as someone with a bible trained concience you wind up being caught in the middle. how many feel this way?
It sounds like you have plenty of other options with these core beliefs."
I have some suggestions for ya.
Become a Christadelphian: They have the most identical beliefs and core beliefs relating to JWs. However, they do not believe Satan is a being, they believe the term "Satan" when used in the bible is in reference to specific political systems, individuals in opposition or conflict.
Become a Jew: Where to go you say? A synagogue of course! Talk about great times on the sabbath! Converting to Judaism is not a great leap, they too also believe in God's Kindgom being established on the earth. They don't just follow the principals of the mosaic law, they still abide by it. You will find it nice as they really harp on righteousness, so expect a change in your diet. What's cool is that you can still accept blood transfusions even as a Jew following the law! Im not kidding, they obviously had this truth first and know all the in's and out's of this scripture. They have known for a LONG time that the law respecting blood was in reference to both a hunting ritual and a dietary regulation. They reject pagan holidays, gays, the trinity, and the belief in Hell [depends on the orthodox/unothodox view]. Go listen to Rabbi Tovia Singer, he has tons of content about how the idea of the trinity never existed in Judaic history. Unfortunately, you will have to choose YHWH in your theology, you see Jesus is considered a fake and one of many crazy messiah wannabes. Judaism completely rejects the Greek New Testament and they provide pretty good reasons for it. For Jews, Jesus couldn't have been the messiah because he didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies as told through oral tradition centuries prior to Jesus' existence. The understading of the messiah was written and heavily studied from Talmudic and ancient rabbinical commentaries. Jews never expected the messiah to rule invisibly from the heavens, but physically on the earth. You will now place your hopes and salvation in a future and earth ruling bad ass in this current political system.
I don't mean to be too snarky here but im trying to show you that many of the beliefs you hold as "Truth" are held by many other religions, cults, sects, and organizations. These beliefs that are within the framework of the Watchtower have already existed for hundreds-- if not-- thousands of years before Charles Taze Russell.
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JW businessman's email about the UN and false religion
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas ini was shown a hard copy of an email from a purported jw businessman who claimed he had contact with some un officials as part of his 'business'.
in conversation, he claimed that he blurted out and asked them when they were going to clamp down on religion as foretold in jw prophecy.
according to the account, the un official acted startled, and asked 'how do you know?'.
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Emery
my goodness, as soon as I started reading this red flags flew everywhere. This story sounds more like something a nigerian scammer would come up with.