Posts by Emery

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"They went out from us, but they were not of our sort..." - worst ever scripture to lead an anti-apostate talk?

by cedars in

the program for the 2013 convention series has been drawn to my attention.

here is a link to it.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&output=html&pub=co-pgm13&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

there is a saturday morning symposium on "apostates.

An Approach to Wake Up JW Friends

by Emery in

okay so for a while now i have been developing an idea to help expose the truth to certain jw friends without forsaking my identity.

the idea involves sending an anonymous email to someone with an attachment.

to do this you may need set-up a new email account (if necessary) without any traces of your real name or location during sign up.

Of course using Ray Franz may not always work but it can help with some. I know it helped me and my folks. We had no idea there was a governing body member who was disfellowshipped. It was very tempting and had someone just randomly emailed it to us we would have dig into it a long time ago. Maybe just sending the file with the subject title would be tempting enough.

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Project: I need help finding Watchtowers that show hate, prejudice, and name-calling.

by Emery in

i know there are a lot of examples to choose from but i want to find wt references that are the most blatant.

the printed evidence can be a great resource to all, including jw lurkers who fact-check.. .

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Emery

thanks to sd-7,

(Disfellowshipped persons)

"Such an indiviual had no place in the clean organization or congregation of God. He should go back to the wicked group that he once came from and die with that wicked group with Satan's Organization."

- March 1, 1952 WT page 134, paragraph 8

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An Approach to Wake Up JW Friends

by Emery in

okay so for a while now i have been developing an idea to help expose the truth to certain jw friends without forsaking my identity.

the idea involves sending an anonymous email to someone with an attachment.

to do this you may need set-up a new email account (if necessary) without any traces of your real name or location during sign up.

Emery

Has anyone previously tried something like this before?

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An Approach to Wake Up JW Friends

by Emery in

okay so for a while now i have been developing an idea to help expose the truth to certain jw friends without forsaking my identity.

the idea involves sending an anonymous email to someone with an attachment.

to do this you may need set-up a new email account (if necessary) without any traces of your real name or location during sign up.

Emery

Okay so for a while now I have been developing an idea to help expose the truth to certain jw friends without forsaking my identity. The idea involves sending an anonymous email to someone with an attachment. To do this you may need set-up a new email account (if necessary) without any traces of your real name or location during sign up. Choosing a pro jw email address can help disguise you as well, for instance, choosing a name like: [email protected] or [email protected] will be a step in the right direction. As far as the attachment, it can be 'Crisis of Conscience' PDF [please pay for it] . Now choose a subject title that can help stimulate curiosity or intrigue. For example:

Subject: Former Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses: Raymond V. Franz

Attachment: CofC.PDF

Message: Attached is the compassionate and amazing autobiography of former governing body member Raymond V. Franz. Franz, who served in Jehovah's organization for 40 years, writes to tell about it in this book 'Crisis of Conscience'. In the book he relates many of his experiences of being on that body for 9 years. Franz gives insight and commentary as to the history, decisions, and rulings made during his time with the Faithful and Discreet Slave.

And that’s it! Let it marinate in ambiguity. Let curiosity run it's course. Do not imply or say anything that will cause them to immediately reject it.

I use this example as many do not have a clue about Ray Franz. Also, I have had several discussions with people who have explored apostate information but found it too bitter or negative. Ray's book doesn't give that impression while reading it which is why I suggest using it, however...

There are some dangers to this approach:

A) Emails will contain the IP Address of the device or computer from where it was sent. The IP can be tracked to your location. Although many witnesses do not even know how to properly work a computer, some are savvy enough to try and figure out who the email came from. In my case, I know many nerdy and tech savvy Jws who would probably try this. To help this, try an Internet cafe, they're great for sending anonymous emails. Additionally, there are ways to hide your IP from your emails but it will require some time and research to execute.

B) Some family members or friends may be able to identify you by your writing style or form of argumentation. If you have a particular way of expressing yourself it may not be wise to engage in a back and forth email exchange.

To avoid these issues altogether, I recommend finding and using a mediator. Someone who you can work with on JWN to send the emails for you. If say, you have a hard time communicating or expressing TTATT to a relative or a friend, this can be an added bonus. Many here are very educated in TTATT, are excellent communicators, and have already been DF'd or DA'd so they have nothing to lose. Also, a non-jw friend could help you.

I know that this approach is not entirely honest but the motive is to wake them up. It has to be in this way as they are programmed to immediately reject such truths. I would like to leave you with a fitting quote from the movie 'V for Vendetta'...

“Artists use lies to tell the truth. Yes, I created a lie. But because you believed it, you found something true about yourself.”

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If you believed the Bible was the true word of God, you'd believe...

by TTWSYF in

i dunnu, that jesus was/is worshipped perhaps.

john 5;23 that all may honor the son just as they honor the father.

whoever does not honor the son does not honor the father, who sent him..

Emery

Heaven.

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How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?

by Change Name in

hi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.

i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .

do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.

Emery

Hi again Emery - I do not know what TTATT is. You must remember, the JW's are a group of humans who are sinful and fall short. They can and will make mistakes.

TTATT = The Truth About The Truth

I don't expect perfection as we are all imperfect and sinfulful. I can deal with mistakes, but I will not put up dishonesty.

Change Name, the Watchtower has not been honest to it's adherence. They do not provide transparency to its members as they have hidden and white washed their history and mistakes. They demand absolute authority that isn't deserved or backed up by ANY evidence. Research their claims as to their being chosen in 1919 and you will see how they do not just claim to be imperfect, but divinely appointed with all of Christ's belongings on the earth --- meaning they own YOU.

Change Name, your faith is a borrowed faith, it is temporary and flexible. It changes at the quim of 8 men in Brooklyn that you have possibly never met. Your faith has to be shielded away from any challenge as it is too fragile and cannot hold up to scrutiny. As a JW you have to attack people's motives, integrity, or beliefs before ever considering the questions asked. The foundation to the organization is terribly weak.

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