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  I was Baptized in 1960 , with the changes over the years to the wording of baptismal candidates,does that make my baptism invalid ?

  by smiddy in

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  i would appreciate your thoughts on the matter and if any could provide legal ?

  precedents / obligatory requirements from either parties , how binding , or what sanctions can be imposed on a violater of said baptism .. your thoughts/comments appreciated.

  smiddy.

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  I would think that if you answered questions and were aproved for baptism based on what is found in the "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" book (which I think has the previous understanding of the faithful and discreet slave) might get you somewhere. Maybe saying that you were baptized in belief of the prior understanding the slave class or that Russell was part of it would make it invalid (for DFing purposes)?
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  The apostles in Jerusalem were NOT the governing body and did NOT direct all the work.....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  here is exposing the big lie on a governing body in early christian times.

  the wt use act 15:1-30 to support that paul himself went to a governing body in jerusalem and after they agreed on the circumsion issue, they give pual an assignment, showing they were controlling everything.

  and if you only read acts 15:1-30 you might come to that conclusion as well.

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  What I like to point out is that, even if there was a GB in the 1st Centurty...these guys were handpicked by Jesus and were inspired (according to WT).
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  Type/Antitype John the Baptist/Charles Taze Russell..... Slave/Rutherford/Knorr/GB?

  by Theocratic Sedition in

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  last night i got to thinking about all that type and antitype foolishness, and how with these latest changes they've essentially thrown russell under the bus.

  do you think the type/antitype belief system possibly brought about this latest change in understanding?

  according to the notes on this latest change, russell was not the faithful & discreet slave, however just like john the baptist, he was the one forshadowing someone that would turn out to be larger in scope.

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  I think this gives them the authority to say that everything that Charles Taze Russell believed and taught prior to 1919 (other than 1914) was bullshit...yet everything till now still is BS.
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  2012 Annual Meeting: MORE notes...

  by Ultimate Reality in

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  from a reliable source...provides further confirmation on the gb's new status.

  these are from the symposium part on the new light.. .

  jeoff jackson - how is spiritual food prepared?.

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  This is a subject that I have studied through and through. The doctrine of the faithful and discreet slave and its false authority is something I have vested alot of time in and has resulted in my leaving the faith. What's amazing is that Ray Franz long ago completely dismantled the entire premise of a 1900 year old faithful slave class that existed since the 1st century. How ironic that something that is considered new light in the year 2012 was gospel from their greatest nemesis since the 1980s.

  It appears to me that they are trying to fill in the gaps to their doctrine of power. I wish Ray Franz were still around today, I am sure he would be having a field day with this. They're eliminating some historical fallacies with regards to their lineage of authority, however the supposed EVIDENCE and appointment is still a theological claim and not a historical one. The organization's foundation is still laid upon the teachings and faith as taught by CT Russell. So, this new light really doesn't distance them from him at all.
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  Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

  by Sauerkraut in

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  a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

  they like to quote him in publications.

  so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

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  I've seen several emails from BeDuhn where he is quite critical regarding the NWT's bias in many verses. I bought BeDuhn's book awhile back and it's an excellent read. He doesn't address all the biases found in the NWT but he does an overall great job explaining the history of bias found in NT translations.
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

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  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Jaime, please stop posting, thanks.
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  Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

  by Recovery in

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  jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

  i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

  1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

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  @isaacaustin, you have given a great set of questions. Those questions are the ones I find to be very detrimental to the WTS.

  Trying to be as objective as possible, I believe Recovery has a good scriptural argument. When reading these 7 pages I witnessed a lot of people attacking everything but the argument at hand. I think Leo did a great job of utilizing scripture and only scripture to counter Recovery's position, along with a few others. I understand that the article found on JWFacts is in regards to an alternative interpretation and hopefully Recovery can see it from that angle. However the argument as I understand it, is solely in response to whether the setting of "The Great Crowd" is in heaven or on earth. Personally, I have not given this topic much consideration since discovering the Watchtower’s claim to authority had no merit.

  I believe people should not give much attention to Revelation as nobody in the history of Christianity has gotten it right. The book is an interpretational goldmine riddled with Jewish apocalypticism and ambiguity. If you read only the 4 gospels you can definitely see a more Judaic view of salvation which has long been steeped in a heaven on earth belief. The biggest problem here is that Paul’s theology throw’s a wrench into everything. Paul interprets the resurrection to be solely a heavenly one and since he makes no distinctions of a 2 class system in his letters, it falls into my “WTF” category when I read the book of Revelation.
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Wow this is great so far! What a friggin moronic bastard Rutherford was....this is the guy who had the drunken revelation that the heavenly hope closed for everyone in 1935....my goodness this should be made into a movie.
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  CO Visit this week....

  by MaybeSo in

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  so, we are meeting our new co this week... i wonder if he'll be as glory hungry as the last one and the one before him and the one... well you can get the idea.

  too bad we didn't volunteer to feed him .

  that makes me wonder...why do they receive so much glory and attention as if they were some type of celebrity?

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  I love how Recovery goes against the very words of the Faithful and Discreet slave he so defends and then expects us to take him seriously.
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  Do JW now believe that they are not the only true religion?

  by featherimiss in

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  hi all...it's been a while since i've visited the site.. i was speaking to a jw friend of mine last night.

  and she said that they stated at the latest convention that they were not the only true religion.

  is this true?.

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  If such were true, then they wouldnt disfellowship members for apostasy.