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  Notes from Safeguard Your Mind assembly - day 1

  by raxxxx in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it was an entertaining and incredibly sad experience... anyway!

  here are some notes i have managed to take in between all of the crying and laughing as well as occasional mental breakdown.

  enjoy!

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  Emery

  Sorry you had to endure that, but you did put the bad situation into a good cause :)
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses an American Sect?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this faq was recently added to jw.org.... .

  are you an american sect?our world headquarters is located in the united states of america.

  however, we are not an american sect for the following reasons:.

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  It's an American Apocalyptic Pseudo-Christian sect/cult.
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  The Watchtower Attempts to Eliminate Discrepancies in Authority

  by Emery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i began pondering about the reasons why this new light was made and have come to a few theories that may be plausible.

  my conclusion is that the society is hell bent on eliminating the discrepancies to their authority.. .

  the ancient lineage of the faithful and discreet slave - eliminated.

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  @King Solomon, great analysis! I wonder how they will defend that in the coming publications.

  @St George, I thought the same thing. Also, by rejecting Russell as part of the Faithful Slave Class, then shouldn't his 1914 calcuation be suspect then?
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  I can certainly see how one can arrive at the Trinity, it's not that difficult if you talk to some theologians. I do see a lot of verses which only pertains to YHWH in the OT being applied to Jesus in the NT, especially in Hebrews and Revelation. If I were more a believer in the sola scriptura principle then it would be easier to believe. The biggest hurdle I have is knowing the history about the bible and the development of such doctrines. The authority of the authors of the NT is also highly suspect. You can see a Jewish Christian approach about Jesus' identity in the synoptic gospels, and then see a completely different deistic view following some of Paul's letters down to the book of Revelation.
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  Latest "Shun Your Family" Statement - Jan 2013 Study WT

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  solomon alluded to it yesterday in a thread, i found the online large print pdfs here, not sure where the regular version is yet.

  here are the full paragraphs, grab your barf bags .

  19 on the other hand, if you choose the path of resentment.

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  Wow, pathetic unloving arrogant assholes.
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  @slimboyfat, I agree.

  If there was ever a time that I felt it necessary to fight in the past century it would have been WWI and WWII. Since then its been all about political disagreements for control and power. I also understand cofty's point too, especially when Witnesses don't realize that if it weren't for the USA going to war with Germany, the entire organization would have been permanently destroyed if it came under Nazi rule. The WT would not exist or have the religious freedoms they have today if it weren't for Satan's worldly governments getting involved.

  Things I think the WTS has right:

  - Pacifism
  - Trinity (although the same way they theologically argue against the Trinity, is the same way they argue for Jesus being Michael the Archangel, using ambigious scriptures to solve this identity crisis)
  - Hellfire
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  Have The Governing Body Rebelled Against The "Anointed Of Jehovah"? (Questions For Those Still In)

  by DT in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it has been the understanding for decades that jehovah was using the group of anointed on earth to provide for his sheep.

  they even changed the baptism questions to indicate acceptance of this arrangement.

  many have been disfellowshipped (aka spiritually executed) for failing to fully support this arrangement.

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  I'm pretty sure E-Watchman's head exploded when he got word of this.
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  The Watchtower Attempts to Eliminate Discrepancies in Authority

  by Emery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i began pondering about the reasons why this new light was made and have come to a few theories that may be plausible.

  my conclusion is that the society is hell bent on eliminating the discrepancies to their authority.. .

  the ancient lineage of the faithful and discreet slave - eliminated.

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  I began pondering about the reasons why this new light was made and have come to a few theories that may be plausible. My conclusion is that the Society is hell bent on eliminating the discrepancies to their authority.

  The Ancient Lineage of the Faithful and Discreet Slave - Eliminated

  The Watchtower Society's claim that a Faithful & Discreet Slave Class has always existed throughout history since Pentecost 33 CE has been quite a burden for them to prove historically. The reason why it’s so damning begins with their publications which detail the organization’s history, i.e. “Jehovah’s Witnesses: Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom”. The book (along with several other publications) stressed that Charles Taze Russell began his study of the bible independently and privately without sectarian bias, which allowed him to revive the great spiritual truths that had been long lost. However, the FDS doctrine required all JW’s to believe that an unbroken slave class channel had always existed, feeding each succeeding generation.

  Why I think it was eliminated.

  Upon critical examination of both the doctrine and the WT’s history, we find that they contradict each other. If there was a 1900 year old slave class, why didn’t Russell and his associates feel they could go to it or receive the great spiritual food which the passage of the centuries should have brought? Why did Russell have to study the bible independently and privately to revive these great truths if the FDS existed prior to Russell’s time? Obviously, this particular aspect of the doctrine didn’t support Russell’s journey and historically the WTS could not prove an unbroken channel of true Christianity over the centuries. So the governing body eliminated it and moved the birth of the FDS to 1919.

  We Were Cleansed in 1919 - Eliminated

  This new light where the FDS is still progressively being cleansed is well thought out. It helps defend many of the criticisms which show their continued babylonish practices during and after their supposed cleansing in 1919. It also gives them better immunity among the R&F when/if they crap the bed with current interpretations, predictions, or negative PR moments.

  Why I think it was eliminated.

  This new teaching takes away some core arguments made against their authority during the years. If you go back and review the food and faith that Jesus approved of during the judgment window of 1918-1919, you will find that the Bible Students were in absolute biblical darkness. Their ridiculous interpretations of the bible along with preaching a nationwide gospel of false prophecy until 1925 are detrimental to their authority. The reasons for their appointment is clearly evidenced in the publication titled: God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached!” (Page 350)

  “The serving of food, the right sort of food, at the proper time was the issue. It had to be according to this that a decision must be rendered by the returned master. –Not only was the regularity in serving the spiritual food a problem, but the quality of the food itself was to be considered. In this respect the body of hated, persecuted Christians, who always sought to be faithful slaves of Jesus Christ, met the test.”

  Any JW who reads, The Finished Mystery, Rutherford’s principle talk and printed book, “Millions Now Living will Never Die!”, or Russell’s volumes of "Studies in the Scriptures” would wonder why Christ would have picked out this admittedly error plagued source of information as THE example of faithfulness and wisdom, as the only ones passing the test and choosing them as the sole channel to send guidance to all mankind. Because many (including myself) have left the organization when conducting the very same inspection Jesus made, the Society has buckled down and shored up the doctrine by eliminating their “cleansed” status and making it indefinite.

  They can disregard the arguments made about their hypocritical unclean practices during and after 1919. They now can easily dismiss all the evidence against their appointment by hypothetically saying….

  ”Look Brother Apostate, new light shows that we have always been in a progressive cleansing, so never mind all that false prophecy or false authority talk during our 1919 inspection! Jesus still loves us! By the power invested in me from the teachings of the great Pyramid of Giza and the 1925 false prophecy, I hereby disfellowship you for apostasy.”
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  Light from Annointed Witnesses & so it begins.....

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  someone on jwn posted a link from the annointed witnesses site which i've been following https://anointedjw.org/update_log.html within the past couple days an important question regarding wts .

  on october 8, 2012, we received the following comment and inquiries regarding the previous response (10/7/12-2): .

  inquiry: many thanks for the link to your well-considered response.

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  I don't know what to say other than these annointed jws are clueless.
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  Well, I talked with two active JWs about the latest understanding of the F&DS.

  by Theocratic Sedition in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know a brother who went to the most recent annual meeting.

  older brother, non-annointed, elder, wife a pioneer, and overall a pretty good dude.

  he let me take a peak at the new awake dropping in 2013, which by the way i have to give credit where it's due as i like the new 16 page format.

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  I agree, its nothing more than a "better understanding" in their minds. What sucks however is that this was one of their biggest blunders and now it can't be used against them anymore. The burden of proof that a 1900 year old FDS class that has always existed since the first century was quite a daunting task to prove especially since the claim had absolutely no evidence to back it up. For instance, why didn't Russell go to the current FDS class of his time? Why did he study the bible "independently and without sectarian bias" if there was FDS class since before his time?? Sound's like the GB might be countering some of the arguments of apostates since they cannot refute them.