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  Watchtower Birthday Logic

  by enigma1863 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower bases their opposition to birthdays by two scriptures, saying something bad happened and god must have put it in there for a reason.

  following their logic are there any other things jws shouldnt do because bad things happened in a couple of scriptures?.

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  Emery

  double-double standards yo.
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  OH POOR RUTHERFORD! Not!

  by clarity in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wanted this for my records and for the newbies who don't know .

  that rutherford & co never "fulfilled the prophetic" - 3 yrs in prison!.

  http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=441:did-j-f-rutherford-lie-about-being-exonerated&catid=27:rutherford&itemid=342.

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  Emery

  Great find!
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  Wake Up Your Family Through Family Worship Night!

  by Emery in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've thought of an excercise that can knock 2 birds with 1 stone.

  you can walk away performing a spiritual demand by the watchtower, while also introducing ttatt to your family.

  i did this once with my roommate way before i knew the ttatt, we wrote questions on the back of flash cards, choosing them randomly to create realistic situations that you may encounter at the door.

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  Emery

  Exactly Ding! Thank you very much for saying that! That is literally the whole point to all this.
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  Wake Up Your Family Through Family Worship Night!

  by Emery in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've thought of an excercise that can knock 2 birds with 1 stone.

  you can walk away performing a spiritual demand by the watchtower, while also introducing ttatt to your family.

  i did this once with my roommate way before i knew the ttatt, we wrote questions on the back of flash cards, choosing them randomly to create realistic situations that you may encounter at the door.

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  Emery

  Jgnat, that is also a great idea. Surround the questions with, how did Jesus react to: disfellowshipped or outcasts? What did he say about persons who practiced their righteousness in public? etc.
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  Wake Up Your Family Through Family Worship Night!

  by Emery in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've thought of an excercise that can knock 2 birds with 1 stone.

  you can walk away performing a spiritual demand by the watchtower, while also introducing ttatt to your family.

  i did this once with my roommate way before i knew the ttatt, we wrote questions on the back of flash cards, choosing them randomly to create realistic situations that you may encounter at the door.

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  Emery

  I've thought of an excercise that can knock 2 birds with 1 stone. You can walk away performing a spiritual demand by the Watchtower, while also introducing TTATT to your family.

  I did this once with my roommate way before I knew the TTATT, we wrote questions on the back of flash cards, choosing them randomly to create realistic situations that you may encounter at the door. We would role play between being the house holder and the JW. This excercise helped prepare us for difficult questions to keep us on our feet. If we didn't know the question we would research it and prepare a response for the following week. We purposely created situations to try and stump each other, or see how well we did under live pressure, it was a lot of fun and turned into a game of wits.

  Now that I know the TTATT, I have realized this excercise can be of great tool to help others wake up. I would introduce this excercise as a way to help develop spiritual knowledge and sharpness at the door. You should first prepare some pretty easy stuff and do your best to establish this as THE FAMILY WORSHIP activity of the week. Make it fun and challenging. Stay clear from apostate questions or areas out of their intellectual realm for the first week or 2 (dumb it down if you have to). Display a very Pro JW attitude if necessary to destroy any apostate fears/suspicions (fake it till you make it). Progressively start asking difficult questions which will require them to research. For instance, the first flash card could have something like this:

  House Holder: "I believe Jesus is God Almighty, you Jehovas need to believe in the Trinity!"

  JW Challenge: How would you answer this objection using only the bible?

  Of course this is easy stuff that can be defended by many parroted Reasoning book answers. Let them answer these without debate and sincerely feed their confidence in the things they do know how to defend properly. Now when the time comes, bring out the fireworks. Progressively start scattering TTATT questions in between the easy ones. Below are a few examples...

  House Holder:

  "Can you explain the new Faithful and Discreet Slave light?"

  "Can you explain the overlapping generations teaching?" --Follow up question, why has your definition changed so much over the years?

  "What's the context of Proverbs 4:18"

  "Can you show me how you arrive to Christs presence in 1914 from the bible?" --Follow up question, "Why did Witnesses believe Christ arrived in 1874 then?"

  "Why do museums, historians, and archaeology state Jerusalem fell in 586/7 instead of 607 bc?"

  "Based on what evidence or beliefs were JW's chosen to be the Faithful Slave in 1919?" --The Finished Mystery will be very valuable here.

  "My preacher tells me you guys are false prophets!"

  "Why did you guys claim the end of the world would occur in 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975?"

  "Why do you guys not celebrate holidays but still oberve pagan traditions and rituals?" -- wedding ceremonies, wedding rings, jewelry, anniversaries, days of the calendar, braiding hair, make-up, etc.

  "Why were organ transplants considered cannibalism in your publications?"

  These questions need to have the premise and challenge of being answered using only THE BIBLE. The use of publications is alright but again, make your family understand that Watchtowers are not great proof at the door as the house holder will only see them as JW interpretation. Throughout this excercise you should try to remain very pro JW as to not give away the motive. Make them know you're in the position of playing devil's advocate throughout these challenges. Do not be a know it all, or smart ass during these as they will not take you seriously. Encourage an environment of love, openness, and free speech. This hopefully will get them to think and wake up when they have the burden of proof placed on their shoulders.

  EDIT: I forgot to mention that if you manage to develop a JW library, this can be SO valuable. Having the evidence and historical references right there available for your family to research the challenges. Imagine creating an assignment for the family to inspect the very food Jesus himself inspected to anoint the Watchtower as his Faithful Slave! The greatest honor in all human history! Create projects or assignments that will require them to read: The Finish Mystery, Studies in the Scriptures, Millions Now Living Will Never Die! etc. Eventually you can bring in friends from the hall into these family worship nights too if you want to work on persons who are not relatives.
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  I Need help with questions to ask during family study to help my wife wake up

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lately when we have our family study we have been just reading the bible alone, without wt spin.

  however i really need to start asking her good questions that wont set off her apostadar.

  so i ask you fine folks; what are some questions or ways i can use the family study to help her think and start using her own mind on key ideas.

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  Emery

  I've thought of an excercise for this particular situation. I did this once with my roommate way before I knew the TTATT, we wrote questions on the back of flash cards, choosing them randomly to create realistic situations that you may encounter at the door. We would role play between being the house holder and the JW. This excercise helped prepare us for difficult questions to keep us on our feet. If we didn't know the question we would research it and prepare a response for the following week. We purposely created situations to try and stump each other, or see how well we did under adversity, it was a lot of fun and turned into a game of wits.

  Now that I know the TTATT, I have realized this excercise can be of great use to help others wake up. I would introduce this excercise as a way to help develop spiritual knowledge and sharpness at the door. You should first prepare some pretty easy stuff and do your best to establish this as THE FAMILY WORSHIP activity of the week. Make it fun and challenging. Stay clear from apostate questions or areas out of their intellectual realm for the first week or 2 (dumb it down if you have to). Display a very Pro JW attitude if necessary to destroy any apostate fears/suspicions (fake it till you make it). Then progressively start asking difficult questions which will require research on their part. For instance, the first flash card could have something like this :

  House Holder: "I believe Jesus is God Almighty, you Jehovas need to believe in the Trinity!"

  JW Challenge: How would you answer this objection using only the bible?

  Of course this is easy stuff that can be defended by many parroted Reasoning book answers. Let them answer these without debate and sincerely feed their confidence in the things they do know how to defend properly. Now when the time comes start to bring out the fireworks. Progressively start scattering TTATT questions in between the easy ones. Below are a few examples...

  House Holder:

  "Can you explain the new Faithful and Discreet Slave light?"

  "Can you explain the overlapping generations teaching?" --Follow up question, why has your definition changed so much over the years?

  "What's the context of Proverbs 4:18"

  "Can you show me how you arrive to Christs presence in 1914 from the bible?" --Follow up question, "Why did Witnesses believe Christ arrived in 1874 then?"

  "Why do museums, historians, and archaeology state Jerusalem fell in 586/7 instead of 607 bc?"

  "Based on what evidence or beliefs where JW's chosen to be the Faithful Slave in 1919?" --The Finished Mystery will be very valuable here.

  "My preacher tells me you guys are false prophets!"

  "Why did you guys claim the end of the world would occur in 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975?"

  "Why do you guys not celebrate holidays but still oberve pagan traditions and rituals?" -- wedding ceremonies, wedding rings, jewelry, anniversaries, days of the calendar, braiding hair, make-up, etc.

  "Why were organ transplants considered cannibalism in your publications?"

  These questions need to have the premise and challenge of being answered using only THE BIBLE. The use of publications is alright but again, make your family understand that Watchtowers are not great proof at the door as the house holder will only see them as JW interpretation. Throughout this excercise you should try to remain very pro JW as to not give away the motive. Make them know you're in the position of playing devil's advocate throughout these challenges. Do not be a know it all, or smart ass during these as they will not take you seriously. Encourage an environment of love, openness, and free speech. This hopefully will get them to think and wake up when they have the burden of proof placed on their shoulders.
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  Resigned being an elder

  by subytrek in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.

  i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.

  i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.

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  Emery

  Welcome subytrek!
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  Question 3 of this weeks Oral Review???

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  3.. why did jesus say that his disciples would not complete their circuit of preaching "until the son of man arrives"?

  (matt.

  10:23) [jan. 14, w10 9/15 p. 10 par.

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  Emery

  I remember in ISOCF where Franz mentions how the society normally stays clear from muslim countries to avoid banishment for the gospel the WT preaches. Also, its pretty clear they will stone Jws for apostasy. Proselytizing to Muslims is a punishable offense in most Arab countries. Sorry WT it appears Muhammed's ministry beat you to the punch about 1400 years ago.
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  Creative Revenge

  by Roberta804 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i love this topic.... stole it from a female talk radio host dr. sonia freeman in the chicago area decades ago.

  think and post a creative (not damaging, violent, or illegal) action that would piss off those who shun us.

  here is an example: many years ago when my hubby was still an elder he collected the mail for the kh.

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  Emery

  Filling out a bunch of porn subscriptions to a KH address would be ungodly....but hilarious.
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  E-Watchman Is Shutting Down His Forum

  by Bangalore in

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  Emery

  King was one of the first persons I ran into when I began waking up. I was super confused, I was like..."should I stay or should I go?" He would have tons of information that would make anyone want to leave the organization, yet assures his listeners that it IS the TRUTH, its Jehovah's will that the WTS commit apostasy because its prophetic.

  King even insulted Ray franz because he felt Franz was leading people astray from the truth. Imagine that, an apostate, calling another Christian person "apostate". Somewhere in e-Watchmens theology he can't let go of everything he was taught, he needs to learn what apocalyptism is and how it has repeated itself for thousands of years.