All the time, I absolutely loved playing baseball. From ages 6 to 8, I played on a well known little league team in Texas... then we became Witnesses when I was 8. I wonder how far I could have gone had it not been for the clusterfuck my parents brought us into. I resent my parents now far more than the Watchtower for joining this cult. I don't shy away from making it known how incredibly dull their intellect is.
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26For the born-in/raised in, you ever get resentful upon seeing kids involved with organized sports?
by Theocratic Sedition inthis past saturday, i was watching the georgetown/syracuse game, and a nike commercial was played during one of the breaks.
i couldn't locate the exact commercial, but below is a variation of it that has scenes from the same one that aired on saturday.
man did i feel some heavy resentment towards the wt during and especially after the commercial aired.
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The bible is a letter to the 144,000
by sosoconfused ini don't really remember where i heard this... either at a public talk or a district convention or c.o.
visit or something.. .
my question is, has anyone else in there time with the org heard that said?
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@LostGeneration, my thoughts exactly!
Why should any of the great crowd be responsible for upholding anointed duties found in the NT?
For instance why is the great crowd responsible for going out in service? This command (according to the WT) was only given to anointed christians. Why are the members of the great crowd disfellowshipped if the scripture used to do so applies toward anointed christians only? Am I the only one here thinking about a legal loop hole?
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The Seeker Speaks
by Farkel in"when a person does what he always does, he will get what he always gets.".
wise words, those.
i have discovered after six-and-a-half decades that those who say they have found the truth, the way, the path for themselves and for all mankind, they are full of shit.
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Farkel is an invaluable resource to us all
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The ten most embarrassing scriptures for Jehovah's Witnesses
by slimboyfat in1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.
2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.
so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.
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Great scripture slimboyfat!
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Why do they assume they were anointed?
by Sheep2slaughter ini am well aware that this thread could diverge into a discussion of the legitimacy of the watchtowers view of heavenly class and earthly class and what not.
... but that's not the thrust of my question.
i just replied to a thread about going to memorial and started thinking how after jesus started out no one talked about actually doing it after the initial time.
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A revelation by a drunkard, a false prophet drunkard. The idea that God would close the heavenly gates is not backed up by any bible passage. Nowhere in the bible does it indicate a 2 class system of Christians.
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The ten most embarrassing scriptures for Jehovah's Witnesses
by slimboyfat in1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.
2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.
so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.
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Emery
I have actually started on a project similar to this thread with this idea in mind, sorry if this post is a little long. I have scriptures written down according to the different subjects regarding TTATT. Hope these help any having to debate a JW.
Scriptures Against Works For Salvation (Meeting attendance, field service, grooming, etc.)
Matthew 6:1 - "Take good care not to practice your righteousness in front of men in order to be observed by them."
Matthew 23:5 - "Everything they do is done for men to see: they make their phylacteries wide and tassels on their garments long." [Pharisees]
John 7:24 - " Stop judging by outward appearance but by righteousness."
Galatians 2:21 "I do not shove aside the undeserved kindness of God; for if righteousness is through law, Christ actually died for nothing."
Galatians 3:10-11 - " For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law. Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith."
Galatians 5:4 - "you are parted from Christ, whoever you are that try to be declared righteous by means of law; you have fallen away from his undeserved kindness"
Galatians 5:22,23 - " But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Galatians 6:4-5: " Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, for each one should carry their own load."
Romans 3:20 - " Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin."
Romans 10:3-4 - "Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."
2 Corinthians 10:12- "For we are not bold to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding."
Scriptures Against Double Standards
Matthew 23:3 - "So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
Acts 23:3 - 'Then Paul said to him, "God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!' [UN scandal]
Scriptures Which Encourage Critical Independent Thinking - Testing Everything
Proverbs 18:17 - "The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him."
John 7:51 - " Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing?"
1 Corinthians 14:29 - " Let two or three people prophesy, and let the others evaluate what is said."
1 Thessalonians 5:21 - "Test everything. Hold on to what is good."
2 Thessalonians 2:2 - "Not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come." (1914)
1 John 4:1 - " Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world."
Revelation 2:2 - " I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false."
Scriptures Against Disfellowshipping Practiced by JWs
Matthew 9:11-13: "I have come to call not the righteous but sinners. (theses were not members in good standing in the Jewish congregation)
2 Thessalonians 3:14,15 - " Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."
Scriptures Against The Watchtower's Stance Toward 'Apostates'
Proverbs 18:13 - " Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish."
Proverbs 19:11 - "A person's wisdom yields patience; it is to one's glory to overlook an offense."
Proverbs 25:21 - "If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink."
Matthew 5:44 - " But I say to you, love your enemies and bless the one who curses you, and do what is beautiful to the one who hates you, and pray over those who take you by force and persecute you. " [Aramaic Bible in Plain English]
Luke 6:27-28: "But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Romans 12:14, 20 - "Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse...On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."
Romans 14: 1, 4 - "Accept among you the man who is weak in the faith, but do not argue him about his personal opinions."
1 Thessalonians 5:15 - "Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else."
1 John 4:18 - "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."
James 4:11 - "Do not slander one another and do not judge." [mentally diseased and gangrene comments come to mind]
Scriptures Supporting All Christians Are God's Sons and Must Be Born Again
Matthew 12:50 - " For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
John 3:3 - " Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
1 John 4:2 - " This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God..."
1 John 4:15 - " If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God."
1 John 5:1 - "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well."
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How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?
by Change Name inhi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.
i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .
do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.
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I hardly flinched at the UN scandal when learning the TTATT. It was just one of many pieces of evidence that showed how the WT cannot even meet the very standards they set. They are ALWAYS apologizing when they shit the bed, they only apologize or give an explanation when they're caught red handed. "Oh we were just using a library!...Oh we were only eager for the end to come in 1914... err 1918 err..1925.. err 1975!" They are full of freaking excuses and cover ups. WAKE UP Change Name! Truth doesn't need to be apologized for --bureaucratic authoritarian organizations who invoke the name of God do. They have everything to lose if they were to be honest with the public.
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The Seeker Speaks
by Farkel in"when a person does what he always does, he will get what he always gets.".
wise words, those.
i have discovered after six-and-a-half decades that those who say they have found the truth, the way, the path for themselves and for all mankind, they are full of shit.
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Farkel, you obviously didn't read the most holy of books..... 'Eat Pray Love'.
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How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?
by Change Name inhi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.
i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .
do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.
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Change Name, when are you coming back?
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Jesus and the Mosaic Law...
by mP inive had many chats with tec and shes always fun but i must disagree with her angle on jesus and the mosaic law.
she always claims that jesus repealed the law.
ive asked for many times and she has yet to give the exact quote.. perhaps the most damning scripture for tec and friends is mat 5:18 where jesus unequivacably says the laws is perfect and will last forever.
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Great thread mP,
The gospel according to Matthew is one that is hard to argue against, it is the most Jewish among the synoptics. If you are foundamentalist Christian, you have to either believe Jesus' words here according to the gospel, or Paul's later theology of grace. It's either Jesus' words or Paul's. Paul's teachings are what radically changed the theology of law to grace. I found myself in this struggle after learning the TTATT. I whole-heartedly believe Paul's view of love and grace, it sounds beautiful but... it runs into issues with Jesus' words about the law as mP demonstrated above. I started out trying to be a Christian, then evolved into a non-foundamentalist Christian, and now Agnostic. I don't see how a loving God would require people to jump through the hoops of hermeneutics, ancient law codes, doctrine, etc. to be saved. We are simple creatures and not everyone is intellectually curious enough to find truth through ancient texts. Belief systems entirely depend on where you were born and raised on this planet.
P.S. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that observance of the Sabbath was to be discontinued, it's part of the 10 commandments!