Posts by jeremiah18:5-10

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NEW video on Youtube MUST SEE! the elder's meeting is ridiculous!

by Newly Enlightened in

brother of the hawk, newly enlightened & gojira, recorded an elder's meeting on 5/7/03.

both does a great job of defending me and making the elders look foolish!.

thank you raypublisher/jj and jwstruggle for the awesome job you did on it.. follow up story was not recorded but we will post it here hopefully over the weekend.. enjoy, it's pretty hilarious how they try to control us and come after me on a work of fiction!.

jeremiah18:5-10

Great video. In listening to those guys, its obvious they were aroused by the story. They can't handle any description of intimacy. How else could they conclude that young sisters could get involved in very bad things by reading this. By the way, why is it so wrong to describe fornication? What if it was murder instead? Would there have been a special elder visit? Why is it that sex is so much worse and shocking than murder, robbery, fraud???? Those things are glossed over, but if two single people kiss or share their love illegally, holy crap, call on god for help!!!

Regarding Matt 5 and 18, its never followed. Why? Because if it was, the elders would be unemployed and unnecessary. People would actually have to talk, communicate, and reason and compromise. Gosh can't have that, they would lose their power and control.

Finally, at what point does my avoiding making you stumble because of your weak-ass conscience and busybody ways stumble me? Do you give a shit about that, holier-than-thou elders????

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A Contradiction?

by Yan Bibiyan in

believers know that everything is in gods hands.

this is one of the pillars of their faith.. .

if believers want anything to happen, they pray to god.. why?.

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I don't have a strong position either way on prayer. I've had times in my life that I felt that prayer helped me and to.es that I was convinced prayers were answered. Overall I always felt a disconnect towards god though, even while serving as an elder. I never felt god or holy spirit guided decisions. I did however feel prayer helped me to talk things out in my head and to identify priorities. I always dreaded public prayers, felt prayer should be personal. I used to believe it was thru prayer that we talked to god and he talked to us thru the bible, so that you take a matter to him in prayer then you ho to the bible and you would find his reply. I no longer am convinced of this. At this point I'm rather apathetic towards prayer, although I frequently meditate on god and the bible.

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What naughty things are JWs allowed to do?

by usualusername in

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in most healthy societies people are allowed to do naughty things without feelings of guilt.. .

what naughty things can jws do?.

my naughtiest moment was rounding up 55mins to an hr in my ministry!

jeremiah18:5-10

Interesting replies so far. When you say "naughty", I thought of an entirely different type of naughty. Perhaps just my naughty mind, but here are a few:

1. French kiss (as long as its your wife).Don't dare use that tongue elsewhere.

2. Wear logot-shirts (as long as no crosses, references to alcohol or sex or demonic music bands).

3. Get drunk (as long as its just once, its an accident, and you're at home).

4. Smoke a cigarette (as long as only one and it was an extreme moment of weakness and you hated it and make an oath to never do so again)

5. Wear a bikini swimsuit (as long as your bodyisn't so sexy that you make the elders wives feel inferior and the elders drool)

6. Not wear underwear (as long as no one can ever know)

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The Governing Body fits perfectly the Evil Slave of Matthew 24:48

by matt2414 in

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48but suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, my master is staying away a long time,.

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jeremiah18:5-10

I think its rather interesting that the food provided by the GB/fds/evil slave after having provided it as good, fine food at the proper time, they then come back and say, oops we gave you the decorative plastic fruit that decorates the table. It looked real, felt real, but alas we gave it to you by mistake. I'm sure you thought it looked like and felt like real fruit, you did eat it after all, and you didn't dwell on how it tasted or how sick it made you. This time though, we got it straight, here's the real food at the proper time. Only to come back a short time later and say oops, we were confused again, that damn wax looks so convincing. All the while our insides are unable to digest it, there's no nourishment, and we are literally getting sick and throwing it up. How sad to continue eating from that source, truly a dog returning to his vomit!

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A Contradiction?

by Yan Bibiyan in

believers know that everything is in gods hands.

this is one of the pillars of their faith.. .

if believers want anything to happen, they pray to god.. why?.

jeremiah18:5-10

The notion in the bible is that prayer is an act of worship and the very same book indicates that god only answers the prayers or acts in love to preserve those who worship him. Therefore the act of praying is more about submission than trying to get what you want or need, according to the bible. Its only about what you want as long as what you want or need is in harmony with what god wants or needs. By that reasoning then prayer would be necessary if for nothing more than an act of worship showing complete submission to god. So, with that being said, I think its less of an contradiction and more of a conondrum, because your happiness and satisfaction is totally irrelevant.

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Who Are Your Past Circuit Overseers? It's a small world..

by mentallyfree31 in

who were your past circuit overseers?

i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).

ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).

jeremiah18:5-10

The ones I can remember:

Meekins

Paik

Duke

Peck

Streubing

Burdge

Osbek

Septor

Purini

Jolly

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Does WTS want the goverments to turn on them?

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

considering that the wts has long held the view that the "wild beast" would turn on and destroy false religion and that "gog of magog" would attack "god's people", does wts want and in fact hope that their radical views and rigid/unyielding practices will incur the wrath of governments and courts?.

any adverse judgments are going to be spun as fulfillment of prophecy and be used to further pull the ranks together.

any victories are viewed as gods blessing.. it seems they are desperate at times to manipulate the governments into turning on religion, including their own.

jeremiah18:5-10

But wouldn't taking a course toward "mainstream" betray their belief and teaching of being "in the last of the last days"?

Of course that would require logic to realize that and we all know that die hard JW's leave logic in the baptismal pool water. I'm so frustrated with this organization, I want to scratch my eyes out!!!!!

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Does WTS want the goverments to turn on them?

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

considering that the wts has long held the view that the "wild beast" would turn on and destroy false religion and that "gog of magog" would attack "god's people", does wts want and in fact hope that their radical views and rigid/unyielding practices will incur the wrath of governments and courts?.

any adverse judgments are going to be spun as fulfillment of prophecy and be used to further pull the ranks together.

any victories are viewed as gods blessing.. it seems they are desperate at times to manipulate the governments into turning on religion, including their own.

jeremiah18:5-10

I fear there will never be a change to the child abuse policies, DF'ing policies, or hate-mongering toward other religions and others' views. It makes no sense for them to continue this course unless they simply want to continue to alienate themselves and incur public and legal wrath and call it a satanic attack.

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Does WTS want the goverments to turn on them?

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

considering that the wts has long held the view that the "wild beast" would turn on and destroy false religion and that "gog of magog" would attack "god's people", does wts want and in fact hope that their radical views and rigid/unyielding practices will incur the wrath of governments and courts?.

any adverse judgments are going to be spun as fulfillment of prophecy and be used to further pull the ranks together.

any victories are viewed as gods blessing.. it seems they are desperate at times to manipulate the governments into turning on religion, including their own.

jeremiah18:5-10

It seems if they were at all interested in self-preservation and growing the ranks, they would effort to be more politically correct. I think they will only get more obstinate, more resistant, and more radical in their views and actions. As a real, genuine cult, at some point doomsday has to come, whether authentic or manufactured. Considering I have a significant numbers of family still in, this scares me. I have no hope of freeing them.

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Does WTS want the goverments to turn on them?

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

considering that the wts has long held the view that the "wild beast" would turn on and destroy false religion and that "gog of magog" would attack "god's people", does wts want and in fact hope that their radical views and rigid/unyielding practices will incur the wrath of governments and courts?.

any adverse judgments are going to be spun as fulfillment of prophecy and be used to further pull the ranks together.

any victories are viewed as gods blessing.. it seems they are desperate at times to manipulate the governments into turning on religion, including their own.

jeremiah18:5-10

Considering that the WTS has long held the view that the "wild beast" would turn on and destroy false religion and that "gog of magog" would attack "God's people", does WTS want and in fact hope that their radical views and rigid/unyielding practices will incur the wrath of governments and courts?

This would seem to be a win-win for them. Any adverse judgments are going to be spun as fulfillment of prophecy and be used to further pull the ranks together. Any victories are viewed as Gods blessing.

It seems they are desperate at times to manipulate the governments into turning on religion, including their own.

Thoughts?